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Sxf 20 March 2005 08:01:59
 Wake vs West Virginia

WOW.

Big play after big play. No one's losing this one; someone's going to
have to WIN it.

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Marty McMahone 20 March 2005 08:25:54 permanent link ]
 
"SXF" <sxfleischer@gmail.­com> wrote in message
news:1111291319.045­221.150490@l41g2000c­wc.googlegroups.com.­..> Wake vs West Virginia>
WOW.>
Big play after big play. No one's losing this one; someone's going to> have to WIN it.

It was a great game. W. Virginia did just take the game away. They made
the plays when they needed to over and over.

Got to say, though, that block by the Wake player at the end of the first OT
was a thing of beauty. Shame it ends up being for naught.

Marty>


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George W . Harris 20 March 2005 08:41:00 permanent link ]
 "SXF" <sxfleischer@gmail.­com> wrote:

:Wake vs West Virginia
:
:WOW.
:
:Big play after big play. No one's losing this one; someone's going to
:have to WIN it.

No, Skip Prosser lost it by sending a 52.5% free
throw shooter to the line for a techical. Oh, and for never
bothering to teach his team how to play defense.

--
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV!

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Mike Harmon 20 March 2005 08:48:33 permanent link ]
 On 2005-03-20, George W Harris <gharrus@mundsprung­.com> wrote:> "SXF" <sxfleischer@gmail.­com> wrote:>
:Wake vs West Virginia>:>:WOW.>:>­:Big play after big play. No one's losing this one; someone's going to>:have to WIN it.>
No, Skip Prosser lost it by sending a 52.5% free > throw shooter to the line for a techical. Oh, and for never > bothering to teach his team how to play defense.

Defense was definitely what killed them. They just never got a stop. For
a long stretch in, I think, the second overtime, the closest they came to
a stop was West Virginia only hitting one free throw, getting the rebound
off the second, and missing a shot that Wake finally rebounded.

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Navin 20 March 2005 10:57:41 permanent link ]
 Mike Harmon wrote:> On 2005-03-20, George W Harris <gharrus@mundsprung­.com> wrote:>
"SXF" <sxfleischer@gmail.­com> wrote:>>
:Wake vs West Virginia>>:>>:WOW.>­>:>>:Big play after big play. No one's losing this one; someone's going to>>:have to WIN it.>>
No, Skip Prosser lost it by sending a 52.5% free >>throw shooter to the line for a techical. Oh, and for never >>bothering to teach his team how to play defense.>
Defense was definitely what killed them. They just never got a stop. For > a long stretch in, I think, the second overtime, the closest they came to > a stop was West Virginia only hitting one free throw, getting the rebound > off the second, and missing a shot that Wake finally rebounded.

Well they did get a stop at the end of regulation/OT. It's as if they
could do it if they *really* concentrated. Of course the defense did
break down before Eric Williams got that nice block.

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Charles Beauchamp 20 March 2005 11:13:36 permanent link ]
 If no one lost it does this mean that West Virginia is in the Sweet
Sixteen, but Wake Forest is in the Door to Twenty Four?

v/r Beau

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Sxf 20 March 2005 11:16:15 permanent link ]
 
Got to say, though, that block by the Wake player at the end of the
first OT> was a thing of beauty. Shame it ends up being for naught.

Yes, it was; I totally jumped up and shouted when it happened, just
because it was so amazing.

My brackets are f**ked now, but oh well - I love upsets.

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Archibald Q . Leachington 20 March 2005 16:46:33 permanent link ]
 On 19 Mar 2005 23:16:15 -0800, in rec.sport.basketbal­l.college "SXF"
<sxfleischer@gmail.­com> wrote:
Got to say, though, that block by the Wake player at the end of the>first OT>> was a thing of beauty. Shame it ends up being for naught.>
Yes, it was; I totally jumped up and shouted when it happened, just>because it was so amazing.>
My brackets are f**ked now, but oh well - I love upsets.

I love upsets, but then again, I loved the plague.

"I don't look at myself as a basketball coach;
I look at myself as a leader who happens to coach
basketball."--Coach­ K.
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Donnie Barnes 20 March 2005 18:00:50 permanent link ]
 On Sun, 20 Mar, SXF wrote:> Wake vs West Virginia>
WOW.>
Big play after big play. No one's losing this one; someone's going to> have to WIN it.

Well, I'd say WV only hitting two of their last four free throws in
regulation was almost "losing" it, but it obviously didn't happen that way.

I agree, though, great game. WV was really impressive.


--Donnie

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StephenJ 20 March 2005 20:58:34 permanent link ]
 
My brackets are f**ked now, but oh well - I love upsets.>
I love upsets, but then again, I loved the plague.

Upsets are great for the moment, but they diminsh the tourney overall. The
real "winner" of an upset is usually the high seed that now gets to play
cinderella in the next round instead of a tough opponent.

And usually a true cinderella only has one magic bullet in her gun.

--
I do not think the United States would come to an end if
we lost our power to declare an Act of Congress void. I do
think the Union would be imperiled if we could not make
that declaration as to the laws of the several States.

- Oliver Wendell Holmes, on the SCOTUS



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James Schrumpf 20 March 2005 21:43:28 permanent link ]
 How do you prefer your martini, Mr. "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>­?
Shaken, or stirred?
My brackets are f**ked now, but oh well - I love upsets.>>
I love upsets, but then again, I loved the plague.>
Upsets are great for the moment, but they diminsh the tourney overall.> The real "winner" of an upset is usually the high seed that now gets> to play cinderella in the next round instead of a tough opponent.>
And usually a true cinderella only has one magic bullet in her gun.>

What happens to your theory when both teams (TT, WVU) are upset winner?

Which team do you think UDub would rather play: a hot WVU or TT winner, or
a sleepwalking Wake or Gonzaga?

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Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke up
lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing and
kill it.
-- Master Shake
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Navin 20 March 2005 22:35:26 permanent link ]
 James Schrumpf wrote:> How do you prefer your martini, Mr. "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>­? > Shaken, or stirred? >
My brackets are f**ked now, but oh well - I love upsets.>>>
I love upsets, but then again, I loved the plague.>>
Upsets are great for the moment, but they diminsh the tourney overall.>>The real "winner" of an upset is usually the high seed that now gets>>to play cinderella in the next round instead of a tough opponent.>>
And usually a true cinderella only has one magic bullet in her gun.>>
What happens to your theory when both teams (TT, WVU) are upset winner?>
Which team do you think UDub would rather play: a hot WVU or TT winner, or > a sleepwalking Wake or Gonzaga?

Washington would probably rather play Gonzaga over TT. TT has a higher
Sagarin predictor than Gonzaga does.

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Sxf 20 March 2005 22:51:11 permanent link ]
 
Upsets are great for the moment, but they diminsh the tourney
overall.

Nah, it's what makes the NCAA basketball title actually mean something.

Unlike that MNC thing in football.

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StephenJ 20 March 2005 23:27:27 permanent link ]
 
Upsets are great for the moment, but they diminsh the tourney overall.> > The real "winner" of an upset is usually the high seed that now gets> > to play cinderella in the next round instead of a tough opponent.> >
And usually a true cinderella only has one magic bullet in her gun.> >
What happens to your theory when both teams (TT, WVU) are upset winner?

I said "usually". Like take Milwaukee. They aren't the typical cinderella
because they've pulled off two big upsets.


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I do not think the United States would come to an end if
we lost our power to declare an Act of Congress void. I do
think the Union would be imperiled if we could not make
that declaration as to the laws of the several States.

- Oliver Wendell Holmes, on the SCOTUS





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Bryan S . Slick 20 March 2005 23:33:12 permanent link ]
 [StephenJ (cjones@corpus.com)]
[Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:27:27 -0600]

:> > Upsets are great for the moment, but they diminsh the tourney overall.
:> > The real "winner" of an upset is usually the high seed that now gets
:> > to play cinderella in the next round instead of a tough opponent.
:> >
:> > And usually a true cinderella only has one magic bullet in her gun.
:> >
:>
:> What happens to your theory when both teams (TT, WVU) are upset winner?
:
:I said "usually". Like take Milwaukee. They aren't the typical cinderella
:because they've pulled off two big upsets.

The way this tournament is going, we're going to have 12 vs. 7 in the
championship game. Heh.

--
Bryan S. Slick, onyx_hokie at yahoo dot com

"There ain't nothing wrong a few cold beers can't iron out
in fact, you tell me just when and where, and I'll buy the first round"

[Terri Clark, "I Think The World Needs a Drink"]
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Tom_sawyer70@Yahoo.Com 20 March 2005 23:33:25 permanent link ]
 
SXF wrote:> Wake vs West Virginia>
WOW.>
Big play after big play. No one's losing this one; someone's going to> have to WIN it.

The win makes for a very interesting team/coach matchup with Texas
Tech. I thought WV would be in big trouble without hitting all game
long from outside. I didn't get the game locally until very late in
the 2nd half, but was very impressed at WV's ability to adjust to
Wake's defense of the long ball and drive on them. Then, when
available, they were able to return to the 3 with some success.

It was interesting on the benches as the game progressed. WV looked
like they were composed, having fun and enjoying the game. WF looked
pressured and like they didn't even want to be there.

Great game from both teams. It will be fun to see the Beilein/Knight
matchup later in the week. That is, if CBS doesn't have another
blowout on instead.

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Daniel Seriff 21 March 2005 00:06:59 permanent link ]
 Bryan S. Slick, if this gets out, the next words you say will be muffled by
your own butt:
[StephenJ (cjones@corpus.com)]> [Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:27:27 -0600]>
Upsets are great for the moment, but they diminsh the tourney overall.>>>> The real "winner" of an upset is usually the high seed that now gets>>>> to play cinderella in the next round instead of a tough opponent.>>>>
And usually a true cinderella only has one magic bullet in her gun.>>>>
What happens to your theory when both teams (TT, WVU) are upset winner?>>
I said "usually". Like take Milwaukee. They aren't the typical cinderella>> because they've pulled off two big upsets.>
The way this tournament is going, we're going to have 12 vs. 7 in the > championship game. Heh.

And Steve will claim that they're only the champion of the BCS conferences.

--
Daniel Seriff

Please pardon my sudden interruption. I am the voice of Hanage's heart.

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StephenJ 21 March 2005 00:47:08 permanent link ]
 
:> What happens to your theory when both teams (TT, WVU) are upset winner?> :> :I said "usually". Like take Milwaukee. They aren't the typical cinderella> :because they've pulled off two big upsets.>
The way this tournament is going, we're going to have 12 vs. 7 in the> championship game. Heh.

Sure looks that way.



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Bryan S . Slick 21 March 2005 00:52:29 permanent link ]
 [StephenJ (cjones@corpus.com)]
[Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:47:08 -0600]

:> :> What happens to your theory when both teams (TT, WVU) are upset winner?
:> :
:> :I said "usually". Like take Milwaukee. They aren't the typical cinderella
:> :because they've pulled off two big upsets.
:>
:> The way this tournament is going, we're going to have 12 vs. 7 in the
:> championship game. Heh.
:
:Sure looks that way.

If anything worse than an 8 seed wins the NCAAs, they should have to
play the NIT winner for the National Championship.

Heh.

--
Bryan S. Slick, onyx_hokie at yahoo dot com

"There ain't nothing wrong a few cold beers can't iron out
in fact, you tell me just when and where, and I'll buy the first round"

[Terri Clark, "I Think The World Needs a Drink"]
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Milt Epstein 21 March 2005 01:41:18 permanent link ]
 Mike Harmon <mike@hlclabs.com> writes:
On 2005-03-20, George W Harris <gharrus@mundsprung­.com> wrote:>> "SXF" <sxfleischer@gmail.­com> wrote:>>
:Wake vs West Virginia>>:>>:WOW.>­>:>>:Big play after big play. No one's losing this one; someone's going>>:to have to WIN it.>>
No, Skip Prosser lost it by sending a 52.5% free throw shooter>> to the line for a techical. Oh, and for never bothering to teach>> his team how to play defense.>
Defense was definitely what killed them. They just never got a stop.>For a long stretch in, I think, the second overtime, the closest they>came to a stop was West Virginia only hitting one free throw, getting>the rebound off the second, and missing a shot that Wake finally>rebounded.

Everybody's mentioning their defense, but I actually think offense was
a big problem for Wake late. They certainly didn't play great
defense, but West Virginia was patient offensively and was executing
very well late. And Wake wasn't. Their shot selection was poor and
they did a lot of one-on-one stuff. They've got one of the best big
men in the country, they should've been going to him just about every
play -- but you saw a lot more shots from the perimeter (without even
*trying* to go inside first).

--
Milt Epstein
mepstein@uiuc.edu
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Milt Epstein 21 March 2005 01:51:30 permanent link ]
 James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrump­f@adelphia.nospamnet­> writes:
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>­? >Shaken, or stirred? >
My brackets are f**ked now, but oh well - I love upsets.>>>
I love upsets, but then again, I loved the plague.>>
Upsets are great for the moment, but they diminsh the tourney>> overall. The real "winner" of an upset is usually the high seed>> that now gets to play cinderella in the next round instead of a>> tough opponent.>>
And usually a true cinderella only has one magic bullet in her gun.>
What happens to your theory when both teams (TT, WVU) are upset>winner?

A 6 over a 3 is not really such a big upset (nor is a 7 over a 2 for
that matter). Neither of them really qualify as "Cinderella"'s --
especially only in the second round -- you want to look for a team
with at least a double digit seed. And in the case of a Texas Tech
over a Gonzaga, they weren't even so far off in some of the computer
ratings (e.g., Sagarin 19 and 20).

Which team do you think UDub would rather play: a hot WVU or TT>winner, or a sleepwalking Wake or Gonzaga?

Well, I'm a big believer in regression toward the mean. That means
things like a hot WVU won't stay hot that long, and sleepwalking teams
wake up (especially if there's a close loss to serve as a wakeup call).

--
Milt Epstein
mepstein@uiuc.edu
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James Schrumpf 21 March 2005 02:35:21 permanent link ]
 How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Milt Epstein <mepstein@uiuc.edu>­?
Shaken, or stirred?
James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrump­f@adelphia.nospamnet­> writes:>
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>­? >>Shaken, or stirred? >>
My brackets are f**ked now, but oh well - I love upsets.>>>>
I love upsets, but then again, I loved the plague.>>>
Upsets are great for the moment, but they diminsh the tourney>>> overall. The real "winner" of an upset is usually the high seed>>> that now gets to play cinderella in the next round instead of a>>> tough opponent.>>>
And usually a true cinderella only has one magic bullet in her gun.>>
What happens to your theory when both teams (TT, WVU) are upset>>winner?>
A 6 over a 3 is not really such a big upset (nor is a 7 over a 2 for> that matter). Neither of them really qualify as "Cinderella"'s --> especially only in the second round -- you want to look for a team> with at least a double digit seed. And in the case of a Texas Tech> over a Gonzaga, they weren't even so far off in some of the computer> ratings (e.g., Sagarin 19 and 20).>
Which team do you think UDub would rather play: a hot WVU or TT>>winner, or a sleepwalking Wake or Gonzaga?>
Well, I'm a big believer in regression toward the mean. That means> things like a hot WVU won't stay hot that long, and sleepwalking teams> wake up (especially if there's a close loss to serve as a wakeup call).>

May be, but in the Big Dance, you don't get to wake up from a close loss.

Yer dead.

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James Schrumpf http://www.hilltopp­er.net

Well, look. I mean, is he gonna be able to chase us? Cause if I woke up
lookin' like that, I would just run towards the nearest living thing and
kill it.
-- Master Shake
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Milt Epstein 21 March 2005 02:43:42 permanent link ]
 James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrump­f@adelphia.nospamnet­> writes:
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Milt Epstein <mepstein@uiuc.edu>­? >Shaken, or stirred?
[ ... ]>>>> Upsets are great for the moment, but they diminsh the tourney>>>> overall. The real "winner" of an upset is usually the high seed>>>> that now gets to play cinderella in the next round instead of a>>>> tough opponent.>>>>
And usually a true cinderella only has one magic bullet in her gun.>>>
What happens to your theory when both teams (TT, WVU) are upset>>>winner?>>
A 6 over a 3 is not really such a big upset (nor is a 7 over a 2 for>> that matter). Neither of them really qualify as "Cinderella"'s -->> especially only in the second round -- you want to look for a team>> with at least a double digit seed. And in the case of a Texas Tech>> over a Gonzaga, they weren't even so far off in some of the computer>> ratings (e.g., Sagarin 19 and 20).>>
Which team do you think UDub would rather play: a hot WVU or TT>>>winner, or a sleepwalking Wake or Gonzaga?>>
Well, I'm a big believer in regression toward the mean. That means>> things like a hot WVU won't stay hot that long, and sleepwalking teams>> wake up (especially if there's a close loss to serve as a wakeup call).>
May be, but in the Big Dance, you don't get to wake up from a close loss.
[ ... ]

Sorry, typo -- that was supposed to be "close win"/"near loss". It
should've been clear from the context.

--
Milt Epstein
mepstein@uiuc.edu
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Mike Harmon 21 March 2005 04:50:30 permanent link ]
 On 2005-03-20, Milt Epstein <mepstein@uiuc.edu>­ wrote:> Mike Harmon <mike@hlclabs.com> writes:
<snip>>>Defense was definitely what killed them. They just never got a stop.>>For a long stretch in, I think, the second overtime, the closest they>>came to a stop was West Virginia only hitting one free throw, getting>>the rebound off the second, and missing a shot that Wake finally>>rebounded.­>
Everybody's mentioning their defense, but I actually think offense was> a big problem for Wake late. They certainly didn't play great> defense, but West Virginia was patient offensively and was executing> very well late.

The offense had one big problem, which you pointed out. But, in the
Wake guards' defense, for a large portion of the overtimes, Williams
wasn't in the game, so they couldn't very well go to him. I cannot
understand why he wasn't playing, unless he was cramping or so gassed
that he just couldn't go.

I was impressed with West Virginia's discipline and execution late, but
even so, Wake's defense was atrocious. Even a patient team that's
executing well shouldn't shoot a layup on practically every half-court
possession. West Virginia scored 34 points in ten minutes of overtime.
And Wake wasn't. Their shot selection was poor and> they did a lot of one-on-one stuff. They've got one of the best big> men in the country, they should've been going to him just about every> play -- but you saw a lot more shots from the perimeter (without even> *trying* to go inside first).

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Geoffrey F. Green 21 March 2005 05:45:07 permanent link ]
 In article <slrnd3s8at.td2.djb­SPAMSUCKS@localhost.­localdomain>,
Donnie Barnes <djbSPAMSUCKS@donni­ebarnes.com> wrote:
Hahahahaha.........­hhahahahahaaaaaaaaaa­aaaaahahaha....hahah­ahaaaaaaa>
You don't *really* think that's an option, do you?

Why are you so sure Felton and McCants are returning but not Paul?
Paul wasn't the guy who equated being in college to being in jail.

- geoff
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Navin 21 March 2005 06:06:36 permanent link ]
 Geoffrey F. Green wrote:> In article <slrnd3s8at.td2.djb­SPAMSUCKS@localhost.­localdomain>,> Donnie Barnes <djbSPAMSUCKS@donni­ebarnes.com> wrote:>
Hahahahaha.......­..hhahahahahaaaaaaaa­aaaaaaahahaha....hah­ahahaaaaaaa>>
You don't *really* think that's an option, do you?>
Why are you so sure Felton and McCants are returning but not Paul? > Paul wasn't the guy who equated being in college to being in jail.

Felton will probably leave. However, I think McCants needs to stay
another year. I don't think the NBA scouts like his "perceived"
attitude problems. Chad Ford of ESPN says it's hurting his stock.

Here are Ford's rankings of UNC's players in their positions.

Marvin Williams #1 SF (#2 overall)
Raymond Felton #3 PG
Rashad McCants #6 SG

He hasn't completely broken down the 4s and the 5s yet. He has May in
the "players to watch" category for PFs, out of the top 5. He may move
into the top 10 with his late season performance.

So Felton and M Williams are probably going to bolt when the season
ends. Felton will be a tough one to replace right away.

Oh, one more thing--Chris Paul is #1 overall.

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Milt Epstein 21 March 2005 06:23:41 permanent link ]
 Mike Harmon <mike@hlclabs.com> writes:
On 2005-03-20, Milt Epstein <mepstein@uiuc.edu>­ wrote:
[ ... ]>> Everybody's mentioning their defense, but I actually think offense was>> a big problem for Wake late. They certainly didn't play great>> defense, but West Virginia was patient offensively and was executing>> very well late. >
The offense had one big problem, which you pointed out. But, in the >Wake guards' defense, for a large portion of the overtimes, Williams >wasn't in the game, so they couldn't very well go to him. I cannot >understand why he wasn't playing, unless he was cramping or so gassed >that he just couldn't go.>
I was impressed with West Virginia's discipline and execution late, but >even so, Wake's defense was atrocious. Even a patient team that's >executing well shouldn't shoot a layup on practically every half-court >possession. West Virginia scored 34 points in ten minutes of overtime.
[ ... ]

So what was different over the first 40 minutes? That can be taken as
an honest question -- I didn't see the earlier parts of the game. But
the pace of the game must have been different earlier on.

--
Milt Epstein
mepstein@uiuc.edu
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Charlie Board 21 March 2005 06:37:55 permanent link ]
 Donnie Barnes wrote:
Sigh. Well if Chris comes back we're still loaded for another>>run next year.>
Hahahahaha.........­hhahahahahaaaaaaaaaa­aaaaahahaha....hahah­ahaaaaaaa>
You don't *really* think that's an option, do you?

Not really, no.

But on the bright sided - you're gonna lose a helluva lot more...


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Donnie Barnes 21 March 2005 06:51:53 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 21 Mar, Geoffrey F. Green wrote:> Donnie Barnes <djbSPAMSUCKS@donni­ebarnes.com> wrote:>> Hahahahaha.........­hhahahahahaaaaaaaaaa­aaaaahahaha....hahah­ahaaaaaaa>>
You don't *really* think that's an option, do you?>
Why are you so sure Felton and McCants are returning but not Paul?

Where have I *ever* said I was sure Felton would stay?
Paul wasn't the guy who equated being in college to being in jail.

McCants might be bad about saying the wrong thing from time to time, but
he'll listen to Roy about what's best for him. Especially when nobody will
guarantee they'll pick him in the first round. Roy will promise him that
if he works his butt off doing what he says that next year he will be in
the top half of that first round, and that's exactly what will happen.


--Donnie

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Trevor Zion Bauknight 21 March 2005 09:57:59 permanent link ]
 In rec.sport.football.­college SXF <sxfleischer@gmail.­com> wrote:
Wake vs West Virginia>
WOW.

What I want to know is this: How does Wake Forest get called for
freaking CARRYING in 2005? TWICE??

--
Trev

"Every Democratic Senator is to the right of Kerry..including
Kucinich." - C. Beauchamp
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Sxf 21 March 2005 11:42:04 permanent link ]
 
What I want to know is this: How does Wake Forest get called for> freaking CARRYING in 2005? TWICE??

I thought the officiating was pretty weak in the second OT, but that
was a good call. The charge they called before that on the Wake guard
was pretty weak, I felt.

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George W . Harris 21 March 2005 11:55:24 permanent link ]
 "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com>­ wrote:

:Upsets are great for the moment, but they diminsh the tourney overall. The
:real "winner" of an upset is usually the high seed that now gets to play
:cinderella in the next round instead of a tough opponent.

Yeah, UConn and BC really lucked out!

:And usually a true cinderella only has one magic bullet in her gun.

--
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democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every
country."
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George W . Harris 21 March 2005 12:00:52 permanent link ]
 Milt Epstein <mepstein@uiuc.edu>­ wrote:

:Mike Harmon <mike@hlclabs.com> writes:
:
:>On 2005-03-20, George W Harris <gharrus@mundsprung­.com> wrote:

:>> No, Skip Prosser lost it by sending a 52.5% free throw shooter
:>> to the line for a techical. Oh, and for never bothering to teach
:>> his team how to play defense.
:>
:>Defense was definitely what killed them. They just never got a stop.
:>For a long stretch in, I think, the second overtime, the closest they
:>came to a stop was West Virginia only hitting one free throw, getting
:>the rebound off the second, and missing a shot that Wake finally
:>rebounded.
:
:Everybody's mentioning their defense, but I actually think offense was
:a big problem for Wake late.

Maybe so, but their defense was horrendous.
WVU shot 37 of 70 with nine offensive rebounds while
commiting only 11 turnovers. That's a complete lack of
ball pressure on Wake's part.

:They certainly didn't play great
:defense, but West Virginia was patient offensively and was executing
:very well late.

It's easy to execute your offense when you
aren't being defended.

:And Wake wasn't. Their shot selection was poor and
:they did a lot of one-on-one stuff. They've got one of the best big
:men in the country, they should've been going to him just about every
:p­lay -- but you saw a lot more shots from the perimeter (without even
:*­trying* to go inside first).

Wake did lose their composure when WVU came
back, but WVU only came back because Wake let them
score at will.

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Charlie Board 21 March 2005 16:33:15 permanent link ]
 Trevor Zion Bauknight wrote:> In rec.sport.football.­college SXF <sxfleischer@gmail.­com> wrote:>
Wake vs West Virginia>>
WOW.>
What I want to know is this: How does Wake Forest get called for> freaking CARRYING in 2005? TWICE??

One of which wasn't even a carry, just a (legal) high dribble!
At a crucial point in OT (not that there are any non-crucial
points in OT). That sucked.


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Trevor Zion Bauknight 21 March 2005 18:18:10 permanent link ]
 In article <1111390924.242216.­283530@o13g2000cwo.g­ooglegroups.com>,
"SXF" <sxfleischer@gmail.­com> wrote:
What I want to know is this: How does Wake Forest get called for> > freaking CARRYING in 2005? TWICE??>
I thought the officiating was pretty weak in the second OT, but that> was a good call. The charge they called before that on the Wake guard> was pretty weak, I felt.

CARRYING.

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Trent Woodruff 21 March 2005 22:04:56 permanent link ]
 
Trevor Zion Bauknight was cut from the Baylor football team for saying...>>In rec.sport.football.­college SXF <sxfleischer@gmail.­com> wrote:
Wake vs West Virginia>> WOW.
What I want to know is this: How does Wake Forest get called for>freaking CARRYING in 2005? TWICE??

One of the refs accidentally read the rulebook and noticed that it was
actually supposed to be called.

Now if they could get that traveling thing going...



Trent
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Mike Harmon 22 March 2005 00:08:02 permanent link ]
 On 2005-03-21, Milt Epstein <mepstein@uiuc.edu>­ wrote:> Mike Harmon <mike@hlclabs.com> writes:
<snip>>>West Virginia scored 34 points in ten minutes of overtime. > [ ... ]>
So what was different over the first 40 minutes? That can be taken as> an honest question -- I didn't see the earlier parts of the game. But> the pace of the game must have been different earlier on.

I don't know. I didn't start paying attention to the game until West
Virginia made their run in the second half.

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Navin 23 March 2005 07:03:40 permanent link ]
 George W. Harris wrote:> Milt Epstein <mepstein@uiuc.edu>­ wrote:>
:Mike Harmon <mike@hlclabs.com> writes:> :> :>On 2005-03-20, George W Harris <gharrus@mundsprung­.com> wrote:>
:>> No, Skip Prosser lost it by sending a 52.5% free throw shooter> :>> to the line for a techical. Oh, and for never bothering to teach> :>> his team how to play defense.> :>> :>Defense was definitely what killed them. They just never got a stop.> :>For a long stretch in, I think, the second overtime, the closest they> :>came to a stop was West Virginia only hitting one free throw, getting> :>the rebound off the second, and missing a shot that Wake finally> :>rebounded.> :> :Everybody's mentioning their defense, but I actually think offense was> :a big problem for Wake late. >
Maybe so, but their defense was horrendous. > WVU shot 37 of 70 with nine offensive rebounds while > commiting only 11 turnovers. That's a complete lack of > ball pressure on Wake's part.

Sounds like UConn's ball pressure... I read somewhere that their entire
defense comes from their (very good) ability to block shots.

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Navin 23 March 2005 07:04:27 permanent link ]
 Charlie Board wrote:> Trevor Zion Bauknight wrote:>
In rec.sport.football.­college SXF <sxfleischer@gmail.­com> wrote:>>
Wake vs West Virginia>>>
WOW.>>
What I want to know is this: How does Wake Forest get called for>> freaking CARRYING in 2005? TWICE??>
One of which wasn't even a carry, just a (legal) high dribble!> At a crucial point in OT (not that there are any non-crucial> points in OT). That sucked.

Agreed. They ignore that call so often. They also botched a charge in
OT or 2OT.

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