Said Wallace: "I know, as far as myself, ain't nothing changed about me but the weather. I'm still the same person I was out in Portland, but it's a different environment out there.
"The environment here is more helpful. The environment out there was more hurtful. That was one of the drawbacks of being the only professional team in town. Here you have us and the Tigers and the Lions, so there are other professional sports to share it with.
"There are people back in Portland still mad at me that I left. It doesn't really bother me too much. My cousin still lives there, and I keep tabs on him. They still talk about me. They tried to use me as a scapegoat for their team and with their demise.
"Here, I think it's to the point where you have to respect what we did last year, being part of a championship team. To me, that's a big thing."
Said Wallace: "I know, as far as myself, ain't nothing changed about me > but> the weather. I'm still the same person I was out in Portland, but it's a> different environment out there.>
OK, Rasheed. So the "environment" in Portland made you get all those technical fouls, fight with an official on the loading dock, smoke dope in the car (on the road!), and generally fail to be a leader on a team where he was the best player.
The only reason he's doing better in Detroit is that he's now the 2nd or 3rd option again. Wallace is a fine complementary player, and an unselfish player. But in Portland, he should be remembered as a bad leader and as a guy who did not deserve the contract he had.
The sum of his public displays of immaturity and petulance are that he's just a little boy in a man's body. He was far from the worst Blazer (Kemp, Woods, Miles, Patterson, and even Stoudamire probably have him beat), but as the nominal, should-have-been team leader, I think he bears the greatest responsibility for the circus that 2002-2004 became.
OK, Rasheed. So the "environment" in Portland made you get all those> technical fouls, fight with an official on the loading dock,
Yelling match...
smoke> dope in the car (on the road!),
They were not driving and the driver was not smoking.
and generally fail to be a leader on> a team where he was the best player.>
The only reason he's doing better in Detroit is that he's now the 2nd> or 3rd option again. Wallace is a fine complementary player, and an> unselfish player. But in Portland, he should be remembered as a bad> leader and as a guy who did not deserve the contract he had.
So now that he is the player that he always was in a team were he fits it proves he was not the player he was supposed to be...yeah that makes sense...
-- Laurel T "Wallace is a riddle wrapped in a mystery, wrapped in a headband." S.I.
"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3d63hbF6pjucpU1@individual.net...> Rosskolnikov wrote:>
OK, Rasheed. So the "environment" in Portland made you get all those>> technical fouls, fight with an official on the loading dock,>
Yelling match...>
Doesn't matter, it was bush-league.
smoke>> dope in the car (on the road!),>
They were not driving and the driver was not smoking.>
Doesn't matter, it was still unbelievably stupid and brazen.
and generally fail to be a leader on>> a team where he was the best player.>>
The only reason he's doing better in Detroit is that he's now the 2nd>> or 3rd option again. Wallace is a fine complementary player, and an>> unselfish player. But in Portland, he should be remembered as a bad>> leader and as a guy who did not deserve the contract he had.>
So now that he is the player that he always was in a team were he fits it > proves he was not the player he was supposed to be...yeah that makes > sense...>
Yep, it's certainly not ALL bad with him. However, I remain incredibly disappointed in him as a player and as a human being . . . especially given what he was paid to be better in both departments.
Rosskolnikov wrote:> "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> wrote in message> news:3d63hbF6pjucpU1@individual.net...>> Rosskolnikov wrote:>>
OK, Rasheed. So the "environment" in Portland made you get all>>> those technical fouls, fight with an official on the loading dock,>>
Yelling match...>>
Doesn't matter, it was bush-league.
Leave the president out of this...
smoke>>> dope in the car (on the road!),>>
They were not driving and the driver was not smoking.>>
Doesn't matter, it was still unbelievably stupid and brazen.
Matters if you turn it into a DUI endangering others Sharing a joint is not criminal.
and generally fail to be a leader on>>> a team where he was the best player.>>>
The only reason he's doing better in Detroit is that he's now the>>> 2nd or 3rd option again. Wallace is a fine complementary player,>>> and an unselfish player. But in Portland, he should be remembered>>> as a bad leader and as a guy who did not deserve the contract he>>> had.>>
So now that he is the player that he always was in a team were he>> fits it proves he was not the player he was supposed to be...yeah>> that makes sense...>>
Yep, it's certainly not ALL bad with him. However, I remain> incredibly disappointed in him as a player and as a human being . . .
Then that is your problem not his. 'Sheed's real involvement with his foundation and 'Sheed's devotion to his family, including his custody battle for his son and (after 'Sheed won) the year long hunt for the child when he was kidnapped by the mother, says a lot more about 'Sheed as a human than bad sportsmanship in arguing over calls with officials. When it comes down to stuff like the brawl as usual he was the one with the cool head trying to break it up. The players that get suspensions for throwing punches are higher on my list for bad sportsmanship.
As a player there is something to be said in a team sport for a player too unselfish. He proved that last year and hasthe ring to show for it.
especially given what he was paid to be better in both departments.
And when he cut the Ts down from 40 to 10 did anyone give him enough positive press to encourage him? Must have been a dozen articles featuring the Ts when he was bad, not one about his improvement.
-- Wallace: "They already know what I'm going to say. It's already etched in their reporters' manual." Cheeks: "What? 'Just ballin?' " Wallace: "No . . . Good game. Both teams played hard."
"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3d700hF6qd5k7U1@individual.net...> Rosskolnikov wrote:> > "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> wrote in message> > news:3d63hbF6pjucpU1@individual.net...
Then that is your problem not his. 'Sheed's real involvement with his> foundation and 'Sheed's devotion to his family, including his custody
battle> for his son and (after 'Sheed won) the year long hunt for the child when
was kidnapped by the mother, says a lot more about 'Sheed as a human than> bad sportsmanship in arguing over calls with officials.> When it comes down to stuff like the brawl as usual he was the one with
cool head trying to break it up.> The players that get suspensions for throwing punches are higher on my
list> for bad sportsmanship.>
As a player there is something to be said in a team sport for a player too> unselfish. He proved that last year and hasthe ring to show for it.>
especially given what he was paid to be better in both departments.>
And when he cut the Ts down from 40 to 10 did anyone give him enough> positive press to encourage him?> Must have been a dozen articles featuring the Ts when he was bad, not one> about his improvement.>
-- > Wallace: "They already know what I'm going to say.> It's already etched in their reporters' manual."> Cheeks: "What? 'Just ballin?' "> Wallace: "No . . . Good game. Both teams played hard.">
Thanks for setting the record straight. Sheed is a great guy who got ran out of town. I sorely miss his emotion on the court and here's to another ring on his finger this year!
Blazer Fan Dan wrote:> Terraholm wrote:>> Rosskolnikov wrote:>>
OK, Rasheed. So the "environment" in Portland made you get all>>> those technical fouls, fight with an official on the loading dock,>>
Yelling match...>
oh, well in that case it's ok that he did it..afterall, it's not like> a bigger man would've just let things go or nuttin..
I am not defending what he did, I am defending what he did not do. 'Fight' sounds like more than the reality.
smoke>>> dope in the car (on the road!),>>
They were not driving and the driver was not smoking.>
doesn't make it ok. If someone was doing something illegal (even if> you don't think it should be) thats not smart. Or they couldn't have> just told the driver to slow down..>
See above. I was challenging the throwing out "On the road" which made it sound like a DUI.
I personally blame the team for that one as much as him and damon (for> letting them drive themselves home).
Oh sure... now even you sound like the portland media.. Blame the team for lack of personal responsiblity of a player.
-- Laurel T You can tell a gelding, you can ask a mare, but you must discuss it with a stallion. -unknown horseman
"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3d700hF6qd5k7U1@individual.net...>> Matters if you turn it into a DUI endangering others Sharing a joint is > not criminal.
Uh Laurel, The last time that I checked, pot was illegal in the United States...
And when he cut the Ts down from 40 to 10 did anyone give him enough>> positive press to encourage him?>> Must have been a dozen articles featuring the Ts when he was bad,>> not one about his improvement.>
you see he lead the league in T's this year with 27?
Yes. But he is a long way from breaking his record. =) The main problem was when he was getting getting tossed out of games at a one of ten pace. It has been a long time since you expected him to end up in the locker room if he got a T. And a T just turns up his game. I do not support bad sportmanship but the fact remains that he uses it as motivation.
there's no secret motivation behind me saying that.
So how was that treated in the Detroit media? A federal offense and lets get him off the team because he is a bad human? He is right, he was a scape goat and he has proved them wrong.
Thought is was interesting when he got the community service award...Blazers nominated him every month and the league told them to stop submitting it. Same man with the same personality and the same foundation and charity programs is now worthy of reward....
-- Laurel T The league has informed the Blazers that Wallace and the team will be fined the next time Wallace ignores his responsibilities to speak to members of the media. Wallace was unavailable to comment.
"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3db816F6qnk6fU2@individual.net...> Blazer Fan Dan wrote:>> Terraholm wrote:>>
And when he cut the Ts down from 40 to 10 did anyone give him enough>>> positive press to encourage him?>>> Must have been a dozen articles featuring the Ts when he was bad,>>> not one about his improvement.>>
you see he lead the league in T's this year with 27?>
Yes. But he is a long way from breaking his record. =)> The main problem was when he was getting getting tossed out of games at a > one of ten pace. It has been a long time since you expected him to end up > in the locker room if he got a T. And a T just turns up his game. I do not > support bad sportmanship but the fact remains that he uses it as > motivation.>
there's no secret motivation behind me saying that.>
So how was that treated in the Detroit media? A federal offense and lets > get him off the team because he is a bad human?> He is right, he was a scape goat and he has proved them wrong.>
Thought is was interesting when he got the community service > award...Blazers nominated him every month and the league told them to stop > submitting it. Same man with the same personality and the same foundation > and charity programs is now worthy of reward....>
Just another example of the classic change of scenery theory. When Rodney Harrison was playing for the Chargers he was regarded as a dirty player by many (particularly the NFL office that hands out the fines for what it deems illegal hits & some of the pond scum that write for ESPN.com), but after he went to the Patriots he suddenly became a "hard hitter & the kind of guy you want on your team". Yet he & his teammates all say he hasn't changed a bit in the way he plays.
I don't know if it's due to the team, the community, or the media (probably some combination of the 3), but you can see it in all the major sports on a regular basis.
