PIPPEN PINCHER: Stories about former Bulls star Scottie Pippen being a cheapskate are legendary. There's a laundry list of Chicago restaurant servers who can attest to Pippen's notorious low tipping habits.
Turns out nothing has changed. The New York Post reports the ex-NBA champ even tried to bargain with a bunch of strippers the other night at the Penthouse Executive Club, a "gentleman's club."
But according to the paper's source, the women, "who are not impressed by celebrity, but by financial liquidity -- moved on to the next suite, which was occupied by a very willing group of young stockbrokers with zero negotiating skills."
PIPPEN PINCHER: Stories about former Bulls star Scottie Pippen being a> cheapskate are legendary. There's a laundry list of Chicago restaurant> servers who can attest to Pippen's notorious low tipping habits.>
Turns out nothing has changed. The New York Post reports the ex-NBA> champ even tried to bargain with a bunch of strippers the other night> at the Penthouse Executive Club, a "gentleman's club.">
But according to the paper's source, the women, "who are not> impressed by celebrity, but by financial liquidity -- moved on to the> next suite, which was occupied by a very willing group of young> stockbrokers with zero negotiating skills."
s_knight8 wrote:>>>> servers who can attest to Pippen's notorious low tipping habits.>>
I dont believe in tipping. Why does a certain sector of jobs deserve>> it while others don't: we all get tipped or none of us I say.>
cheap bastid!!!
Dennis Franz!!! -- A girl once asked me if I thought she was better looking with her glasses off. I said it all depends on whether or not she thinks I'm better looking with her glasses off. http://basketballboards.net/forum/index.php?
"Terrence Brannon" <sundevil@livingcosmos.org> wrote in message news:6mk6nvbrvy.fsf@Abulafia.hcoop.net...> "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> writes:>
s_knight8 wrote:>>> servers who can attest to Pippen's notorious low tipping habits.>
I dont believe in tipping. Why does a certain sector of jobs deserve> it while others don't: we all get tipped or none of us I say.
"Neil Cerutti" <neil.cerutti@tds.net> wrote in message news:3aj2qjF6ajbovU1@individual.net...> In article <6mk6nvbrvy.fsf@Abulafia.hcoop.net>, Terrence Brannon wrote:> > "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> writes:> >
s_knight8 wrote:> >>> servers who can attest to Pippen's notorious low tipping habits.> >
I dont believe in tipping. Why does a certain sector of jobs> > deserve it while others don't: we all get tipped or none of us> > I say.>
Do you also disbelieve in health benefits and paid vacation?
I don't mind tipping and generally try to tip really well, but what bothers me is that by dramatically underpaying waitpeople, restaurant owners basically put the onus for their pay on the consumer. If I don't pay extra, above and beyond my meal, *I'm* screwing over their employee.
Why aren't waitpeople entitled to at least minimum wage compensation like everybody else? If I'm already paying for my meal and drinks, why is it incumbent on me to make up that person's salary with a tip?
servers who can attest to Pippen's notorious low tipping habits.>>>
I dont believe in tipping. Why does a certain sector of jobs>>>deserve it while others don't: we all get tipped or none of us>>>I say.>>
Do you also disbelieve in health benefits and paid vacation?>
I don't mind tipping and generally try to tip really well, but what bothers> me is that by dramatically underpaying waitpeople, restaurant owners> basically put the onus for their pay on the consumer. If I don't pay extra,> above and beyond my meal, *I'm* screwing over their employee.>
Why aren't waitpeople entitled to at least minimum wage compensation like> everybody else? If I'm already paying for my meal and drinks, why is it> incumbent on me to make up that person's salary with a tip?
Because therefore payment depends on quality of service.
servers who can attest to Pippen's notorious low tipping habits.> >>>
I dont believe in tipping. Why does a certain sector of jobs> >>>deserve it while others don't: we all get tipped or none of us> >>>I say.> >>
Do you also disbelieve in health benefits and paid vacation?> >
I don't mind tipping and generally try to tip really well, but what
bothers> > me is that by dramatically underpaying waitpeople, restaurant owners> > basically put the onus for their pay on the consumer. If I don't pay extra,> > above and beyond my meal, *I'm* screwing over their employee.> >
Why aren't waitpeople entitled to at least minimum wage compensation
like> > everybody else? If I'm already paying for my meal and drinks, why is it> > incumbent on me to make up that person's salary with a tip?>
Because therefore payment depends on quality of service.
But we don't depend on that in any other industry - it is generally incumbent upon the employer to hire quality employees who provide quality service.
Igor Eduardo Kpfer 25 March 2005 23:06:04 [ permanent link ]
In rec.sport.basketball.pro on Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:21:09 -0800 "Chris Hafner" <hafner@peoplepc.com> wrote:
"Neil Cerutti" <neil.cerutti@tds.net> wrote in message>news:3aj2qjF6ajbovU1@individual.net...>> In article <6mk6nvbrvy.fsf@Abulafia.hcoop.net>, Terrence Brannon wrote:>> > "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> writes:>> >
s_knight8 wrote:>> >>> servers who can attest to Pippen's notorious low tipping habits.>> >
I dont believe in tipping. Why does a certain sector of jobs>> > deserve it while others don't: we all get tipped or none of us>> > I say.>>
Do you also disbelieve in health benefits and paid vacation?>
I don't mind tipping and generally try to tip really well, but what bothers>me is that by dramatically underpaying waitpeople, restaurant owners>basically put the onus for their pay on the consumer. If I don't pay extra,>above and beyond my meal, *I'm* screwing over their employee.>
Why aren't waitpeople entitled to at least minimum wage compensation like>everybody else? If I'm already paying for my meal and drinks, why is it>incumbent on me to make up that person's salary with a tip?
Tipping is a matter which generates a lot of discussion among economists, who have a hard time modeling the behaviour. Here's an article that discusses some of the issues:
Tipping, though commonplace, is at first glance a curious phenomenon.[1] Why isn't the tip for a waiter, say, included in the price of the meal? Or, going the other way, why aren't employees of fast food restaurants tipped? If one assumes that all economic actors possess perfect knowledge, tipping seems to be a quaint and inefficient practice.
But when we realize that market participants do not possess the same knowledge, the practice become more intelligible. For example, a restaurateur would find it very difficult to keep tabs on his entire staff. As such, it wouldn't be worth the trouble to tailor the wages of waiters and waitresses to their courtesy with customers.
The simple market solution is to allow the customers themselves to evaluate the service of the waiter or waitress. This not only reduces monitoring costs for the employer, but allows for the satisfaction of possibly different preferences among customers. Indeed, empirical studies, as well as casual observation, suggest that customers (especially male ones) reward physically attractive servers with higher tips, and thus tipping can be understood as a discreet way of channeling the most appropriate personnel into this line of work.
The phenomenon of tipping, broadly conceived, is the real-world market's response to the "missing markets" postulated in formal economic models.[2] When transactions costs prevent the establishment of a formal institution, spontaneous exchanges still occur to the benefit of both parties.
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Ofer H. Azar (what a wonderful name -- he should've been a basketball player) argues that tipping is not a single behaviour at all, but six different behaviours, and that in some situations tipping increases welfare for everybody involved. Here's the abstract from his paper, "Tipping: The Economics of a Social Norm":
Tipping illustrates the importance of social norms in motivating economic behavior. People tip because this is the social norm and disobeying norms results in social disapproval that creates emotional disutility. Tipping is also economically important: in the United States alone, millions of workers derive most of their income from tips, and annual tips amount to dozens of billions of dollars. I claim that tipping is not a single phenomenon; the economics of some tipping occasions is very different from that of others. I divide tipping to six different categories: reward- tipping, price-tipping, tipping-in advance, bribery-tipping, holiday-tipping and gift-tipping, and discuss the economics of each category. The analysis suggests that in many cases the social norm of tipping has economic justification, because it solves some inefficiency and increases welfare. In particular, tipping can promote good service where other mechanisms fail to do so. This suggests that the relationship between economics and social norms is indeed complex; not only social norms motivate economic behavior, but also economic reasons may promote the establishment of certain social norms, as Arrow (1971) argued.
Ofer H. Azar, 2003. "Tipping: The Economics of a Social Norm," Labor and Demography 0309002, Economics Working Paper Archive at WUSTL.
see also
Ofer H. Azar, 2003. "The History of Tipping - From Sixteenth-Century England to United States in the 1910s," Economic History 0309001, Economics Working Paper Archive at WUSTL
"Chris Hafner" <hafner@peoplepc.com> wrote in news:3aj34mF68lhakU1@individual.net:
"Neil Cerutti" <neil.cerutti@tds.net> wrote in message> news:3aj2qjF6ajbovU1@individual.net...>> In article <6mk6nvbrvy.fsf@Abulafia.hcoop.net>, Terrence Brannon>> wrote: >> > "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> writes:>> >
s_knight8 wrote:>> >>> servers who can attest to Pippen's notorious low tipping habits.>> >
I dont believe in tipping. Why does a certain sector of jobs>> > deserve it while others don't: we all get tipped or none of us>> > I say.>>
Do you also disbelieve in health benefits and paid vacation?>
I don't mind tipping and generally try to tip really well, but what> bothers me is that by dramatically underpaying waitpeople, restaurant> owners basically put the onus for their pay on the consumer. If I> don't pay extra, above and beyond my meal, *I'm* screwing over their> employee. >
my policy is that i always tip if she swallows. no tip for a spit back.
That's the whole thrust of my point. Given that this is the system, I will> abide by it and tip well, because waitpeople *need* those tips to make a> living wage.>
What I don't like is that this is the system.
Oh, boy, you should live a couple years in a system, where tips were even prohibited. I have. I'm sure you will like a quality of waiters work - not.
In other jobs quality of work could be checked by principals. It's almost impossible (at best: very inefficient) with waiters.
"igor eduardo küpfer" <edkupfer@example.com> wrote in message news:k2n84192nvu6ikj5226sduoj9eb9gjahl9@4ax.com...> In rec.sport.basketball.pro on Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:21:09 -0800 "Chris> Hafner" <hafner@peoplepc.com> wrote:>
"Neil Cerutti" <neil.cerutti@tds.net> wrote in message>>news:3aj2qjF6ajbovU1@individual.net...>>> In article <6mk6nvbrvy.fsf@Abulafia.hcoop.net>, Terrence Brannon wrote:>>> > "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> writes:>>> >
s_knight8 wrote:>>> >>> servers who can attest to Pippen's notorious low tipping habits.>>> >
I dont believe in tipping. Why does a certain sector of jobs>>> > deserve it while others don't: we all get tipped or none of us>>> > I say.>>>
Do you also disbelieve in health benefits and paid vacation?>>
I don't mind tipping and generally try to tip really well, but what >>bothers>>me is that by dramatically underpaying waitpeople, restaurant owners>>basically put the onus for their pay on the consumer. If I don't pay >>extra,>>above and beyond my meal, *I'm* screwing over their employee.>>
Why aren't waitpeople entitled to at least minimum wage compensation like>>everybody else? If I'm already paying for my meal and drinks, why is it>>incumbent on me to make up that person's salary with a tip?>
Tipping is a matter which generates a lot of discussion among economists,> who have a hard time modeling the behaviour. Here's an article that> discusses some of the issues:>
Tipping, though commonplace, is at first glance a curious phenomenon.[1]> Why isn't the tip for a waiter, say, included in the price of the meal? > Or,> going the other way, why aren't employees of fast food restaurants tipped?
on the odd occasion i'm at a fast food place, i tip. or at least try to... it's pretty common for the person to say "sorry, we can't accept tips."
more and more fast food places accept and encourage tips though. not sure if starbucks qualifies as fast food in most people's minds, but it certainly fits the fast-serve model and is a large chain. and they have tip jars out to encourage gratuities. i've heard through the grapevine though that the tips get divided up and starbucks takes a cut (!!) which sounds fishy, anybody know the real story on this?
"Terrence Brannon" <sundevil@livingcosmos.org> wrote in message news:6mk6nvbrvy.fsf@Abulafia.hcoop.net...> "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> writes:>
s_knight8 wrote:> >> servers who can attest to Pippen's notorious low tipping habits.>
I dont believe in tipping. Why does a certain sector of jobs deserve> it while others don't: we all get tipped or none of us I say.>
Because the IRS taxes that segment as though they are receiving tips, and they are paid sub minimal wages to reflect that.
Many workers also receive tips. It's called a bonus.
"Tomasz Radko" <trad@interia.pl> wrote in message news:d21ofg$52k$1@shodan.interia.pl...> U¿ytkownik Chris Hafner napisa³:>
That's the whole thrust of my point. Given that this is the system, I
will> > abide by it and tip well, because waitpeople *need* those tips to make a> > living wage.> >
What I don't like is that this is the system.>
Oh, boy, you should live a couple years in a system, where tips were even> prohibited. I have. I'm sure you will like a quality of waiters work -
not.
Could be - I've never lived in that type of system, so I'm certainly not going to claim that I'm any expert on it.
I will say that it's not as if tipping has resulted in universally high-quality customer service from waitpeople in this system. I get about as many good and bad experiences from waitpeople as I do from customer service people in other industries.
In other jobs quality of work could be checked by principals. It's almost> impossible (at best: very inefficient) with waiters.
I'm not buying this. In all but the most massive, sprawling, massively wait-staffed restaurants, it's not that hard to keep an eye on waitpeople to see what kind of job they're doing. Think of the jobs you've held - your managers don't have to be by your side every minute, listening to every conversation, for them to know if you're doing a good job with customer service or not. And if you have a question, it takes only a minute or so to walk over to a table and have the commonplace "how are your meals?" conversation with customers that should instantly shed light on the quality of the service.
"PeterL" <peterl@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3aj9giF6a7un9U1@individual.net...>
"Chris Hafner" <hafner@peoplepc.com> wrote in message> news:3aj8ttF6alv0oU1@individual.net...> > "Tomasz Radko" <trad@interia.pl> wrote in message> > news:d21n18$20k$1@shodan.interia.pl...> > > U¿ytkownik Chris Hafner napisa³:> > >
"Tomasz Radko" <trad@interia.pl> wrote in message> > > > news:d21l2k$tl9$1@shodan.interia.pl...> > > >
U¿ytkownik Chris Hafner napisa³:> > > >>
"Neil Cerutti" <neil.cerutti@tds.net> wrote in message> > > >>>news:3aj2qjF6ajbovU1@individual.net...> > > >>>
In article <6mk6nvbrvy.fsf@Abulafia.hcoop.net>, Terrence Brannon> > wrote:> > > >>>>
Because therefore payment depends on quality of service.> > > >
But we don't depend on that in any other industry> > >
Too bad.> >
Why? I'm already paying for the product. Isn't it the establishment's> > responsibility to bring the customer back by employing quality employees> and> > instilling an ethic of good customer service?> >
We don't depend on tips for software engineers to create good software,>
They get a bonus from their employers.
Yes, and good for them. They're being compensated *by their employers.*
Not only that, but they're getting a bonus *on top* of a salary that is above minimum wage.
writers to write well, or for policemen to do their jobs. I get great> > service at Nordstrom despite not tipping anybody anything.> >
They get a commission for selling you stuff. Compare that with Macy's
where> they don't get a commission.
Again, good for them. The customer isn't paying above and beyond the cost of the product to compensate the salesperson.
And it's not as if I don't get fine service at stores in which commission is not part of the pay structure - generally better. Commission is more generally a tool to drive up sales numbers, not to provide the highest-quality customer service (the latter being a closer analogue for wait-people) - the two are not always linked.
s_knight8 wrote:>>>>>> servers who can attest to Pippen's notorious low tipping habits.>>>>
I dont believe in tipping. Why does a certain sector of jobs>>>> deserve it while others don't: we all get tipped or none of us I>>>> say. >>>
cheap bastid!!!>>
Dennis Franz!!!>
you misspelled hans...
Frans, Hans..whats the difference? Bozak's both! booyah!
PWN!
-- A girl once asked me if I thought she was better looking with her glasses off. I said it all depends on whether or not she thinks I'm better looking with her glasses off. http://basketballboards.net/forum/index.php?
"brink" <brink@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:3ajctcF6ccblvU1@individual.net...>
"Chris Hafner" <hafner@peoplepc.com> wrote in message> news:3ajap4F6cql4rU1@individual.net...> > "brink" <brink@invalid.invalid> wrote in message> > news:3aj8jdF6alc4tU2@individual.net...> >
That salesperson isn't tipped, but you'd better believe that manager> > knows> >> > which of their people is providing good customer service and which
not.> >>
probably true, though i like the "free market" system that takes the> >> power> >> and politics out of the manager's hands and puts in the customers',> > probably> >> where it belongs in the first place.> >
Why shouldn't all of the responsibility for ensuring the quality of the> > waitstaff be on the employer instead of the customer? How is the
opposite> > more "free market?">
because it circumvents office politics, for starters.>
it also lets the customer decide, which i think is a good thing in these> types of situations.>
Besides, it's not as if tipping gives the consumer any real power. A bad> > tip> > just makes you feel like a jerk, mostly just confirms that impression in> > the> > eyes of the waitperson, and has little to no impact on the makeup of
that> > restaurant's waitstaff.>
i think one person leaving a good or bad tip doesn't have much impact, i> agree. it's the aggregated good or bad tips that have a major impact.
True - but everybody leaves "good" and "bad" tips (if they do such a thing) on a different scale. Somebody's "good job" tip of 15% may equal somebody's "bad job" tip of 15%. That's a pretty muddled message.
<snip>
probably true, but part of the free market system is weeding out the> >> underperformers--if they're consistently getting smaller tips, they'll> > have> >> a harder time getting by in that job and perhaps will look for
employment> >> elsewhere where their skills are better suited.> >
In other industries, the employer takes on that responsibility. If
you're> > not doing your job well or representing the company well, you get> > reprimanded and, eventually, let go.> >
It is the restaurant owner's responsibility to ensure that the customer> > service is good, not mine.>
i hope you'll agree that tipping doesn't put *all* the responsibility on
customer and that in any industry the customer and manager share this> responsibility. it just happens that with tipping more of the> responsibility/power is put into the hands of customers.
No, you're right - it's not all or nothing. But it is a *dramatic* difference in this industry.
<snip>
No doubt that higher salaries in the absence of tips would increase the> > price of the product. I'm fine with that, as long as the waitpeople are> > finally treated like humans under this country's wage laws and it's not
responsibility to be that person's manager and reward-giver when all I> > want> > to do is eat that restaurant's food.>
that's really the only way to change the system, to make a stand. i doubt> we're going to see a legislative move made on the issue any time soon--if> change is going to happen, it will happen from the market *demanding* a> change, ie. what you're saying. that you're sick of being a> manager/reward-giver, etc.
I'd be very surprised if the system ever changed - restaurant owners have too powerful an interest in not having to immediately raise wages. And nobody really seems to care strongly about it - including me, if you can believe it. I just think it's a bizarre institution, and the idea annoys me. It's not something I feel strongly enough about to do anything beyond just gripe about it on Usenet.
i guess i just think of the situation differently, not that i think i'm> better, just different. i like the interaction between the
server/customer,> i think it's an interesting dynamic, and i like being able to show gratitude> with a significant tip. it's not just raw dollars and cents, you know,> there is something symbolic about being rewarded over and above what one> would expect. and not in a condescending manner either, we're all just> human beings trying to get by and i think we can all use encouragement> whenever possible.
I agree - I always try to be as nice as possible to the wait-staff. What you're saying would be A-OK if tipping truly was optional. But while it technically is, in all actuality, it's more of an expected thing - especially given how little most wait-people make. If I don't tip the waitress at Shari's, I'm basically doing my part to deprive her of a working wage, and I resent that.
PIPPEN PINCHER: Stories about former Bulls star Scottie Pippen being a> > cheapskate are legendary. There's a laundry list of Chicago restaurant> > servers who can attest to Pippen's notorious low tipping habits.> >
Turns out nothing has changed. The New York Post reports the ex-NBA> > champ even tried to bargain with a bunch of strippers the other night> > at the Penthouse Executive Club, a "gentleman's club."> >
But according to the paper's source, the women, "who are not> > impressed by celebrity, but by financial liquidity -- moved on to the> > next suite, which was occupied by a very willing group of young> > stockbrokers with zero negotiating skills.">
In Portland the nickname was No tippin' Pippin
According to Bulls historian td, it was the same here.
Granville Waiters' Ghost 26 March 2005 06:40:05 [ permanent link ]
In article <d21ofg$52k$1@shodan.interia.pl>, Tomasz Radko <trad@interia.pl> wrote:
Oh, boy, you should live a couple years in a system, where tips were even > prohibited. I have. I'm sure you will like a quality of waiters work - not.
Does every conversation you engage in involve a flyer to living in a Marxist state?
My ghostly progenitors emerged from the primordial waste known as Franco's Spain. Certainly sucked, but I don't really feel the need to bring every point around to it. And from what I understand, it took them 4 hours to get to school there. Uphill both ways.
D. Gerasimatos 26 March 2005 07:58:12 [ permanent link ]
In article <1111808921.923942.95350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, <bob_koca@hotmail.com> wrote:>" There's my story. The truth is that you've got to tip enough for the>wages the waitresses/waiters receive to balance out to above minimum>wage. ">
You had a big meal so I'll guess you were there for about 90 minutes>to run up the $67 bill. If $12 is a normal tip that works out to $8>per hour just in tips for just one table. Already that is more than>minimum wage. How many tables of about three customers does a waitron>cover at once? I really don't know, but I'll guess about 5. That works>out to about $40 per hour in tips. For the amount of education,>training, and specialized skills required it seems like a ridiculously>large amount. Are my numbers drastically off or am I missing>something?
You are missing that the tips are shared with the hostess, bartender, and others. A good waiter can easily make $60K/year at an upscale restaurant, though. I imagine the best waiters at the best restaurants make six figures.
"Chris Hafner" <hafner@peoplepc.com> wrote in message news:3ajrgtF6bvm44U1@individual.net...>
If I don't tip the> waitress at Shari's, I'm basically doing my part to deprive her of a > working> wage, and I resent that.
ah, shari's... i like those places, they're like the NW variation on the denny's/perkins/village inn restaurant model, only much better imo. they used to have one down here in socal not far from my house (about 30 min away in a relatively small out of the way town called hemet) but they turned it into a texas roadhouse restaurant about 5 years ago. went there all of one time.
now i think the closest one is in... shoot, probably grant's pass, a mere 600 miles away.
"Dave Zero" <davezero@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:9q01e.3877$z.1305@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...> brink wrote:>> "Terrence Brannon" <sundevil@livingcosmos.org> wrote in message>> news:6mk6nvbrvy.fsf@Abulafia.hcoop.net...>>> "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNot_@hotmail.com> writes:>>>
s_knight8 wrote:>>>>> servers who can attest to Pippen's notorious low tipping habits.>>>
I dont believe in tipping. Why does a certain sector of jobs deserve>>> it while others don't: we all get tipped or none of us I say.>>
thank you, mr. pink.>>
brink>
good call, brink, i wrote the exact same thing before i saw your post.
In article <d21ofg$52k$1@shodan.interia.pl>, Tomasz Radko> <trad@interia.pl> wrote:>
Oh, boy, you should live a couple years in a system, where tips were even >>prohibited. I have. I'm sure you will like a quality of waiters work - not.>
Does every conversation you engage in involve a flyer to> living in a Marxist state?
Nope.
My ghostly progenitors emerged from the primordial waste> known as Franco's Spain. Certainly sucked, but I don't> really feel the need to bring every point around to it.> And from what I understand, it took them 4 hours to get> to school there. Uphill both ways.
And with the wind in their face. Of course now in the Spain wind blows always from behind.
"> Does every conversation you engage in involve a flyer to> living in a Marxist state?>
My ghostly progenitors emerged from the primordial waste> known as Franco's Spain. Certainly sucked, but I don't> really feel the need to bring every point around to it.> And from what I understand, it took them 4 hours to get> to school there. Uphill both ways.
- it is generally>> incumbent upon the employer to hire quality employees who provide quality>> service.>
But if we could make direct link between customer and employee - why not > do it?
Then shouldn't we be getting a better deal on the meal? I mean, if we have to help pay the employees anyways, why are we paying full price off the menu, just to have to help them pay their staff anyways!
"brink" <brink@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:3ako1oF683aigU2@individual.net...>
"Chris Hafner" <hafner@peoplepc.com> wrote in message> news:3ajrgtF6bvm44U1@individual.net...> >
If I don't tip the> > waitress at Shari's, I'm basically doing my part to deprive her of a> > working> > wage, and I resent that.>
ah, shari's... i like those places, they're like the NW variation on the> denny's/perkins/village inn restaurant model, only much better imo.
You think so? I think Shari's is kind of a half-step down from Denny's - but then again, I like Denny's.
I'm probably biased because Shari's was the only 24-hour hangout near my high school, and we grew thoroughly disgusted with the food and the service (and, likely, the service with us).
I've only eaten at Perkins a few times, at seemed OK. Of course, anything that has anything, however tangential, in common with Sam Perkins gets some extra leeway from me.
they> used to have one down here in socal not far from my house (about 30 min
away> in a relatively small out of the way town called hemet) but they turned it> into a texas roadhouse restaurant about 5 years ago. went there all of
time.>
now i think the closest one is in... shoot, probably grant's pass, a mere> 600 miles away.
You're probably right about that - my wife and I did the SoCal-Seattle drive last year, and the Shari's in Grants Pass caught our eye (we were moving and hadn't seen a Shari's in some time).
Personally, I like the little independent hole-in-the-wall greasy spoon diners. There were a bunch of those in Charlotte; not so many in Seattle.
