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MVP tough pick
S_knight8 31 March 2005 11:46:44
	http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basketball/heat/sfl-heatnote19mar19,0,550 0781.story?coll=sfla-sports-heat MIAMI · With a month left in the regular season, debate over which player deserves to be the NBA's MVP is about to begin. Shaquille O'Neal, the 2000 winner, has helped the Heat to the NBA's best record (51-16), leads the NBA in field-goal percentage (.594) and is second in blocks (153) and sixth in rebounds (10.3 a game). Other front-runners include Phoenix's Steve Nash, San Antonio's Tim Duncan and Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki. Others who deserve consideration are Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire, Cleveland's LeBron James, Seattle's Ray Allen and Minnesota's Kevin Garnett. And there's the Heat's Dwyane Wade, who is eighth in scoring (23.8) and sixth in assists (7.0) entering tonight's home game against the New York Knicks. Coach Stan Van Gundy wonders whether the Heat having two qualified MVP candidates will offset each other's chances of capturing the award. "Those guys are both as valuable as any player in the league, but to be quite honest, I think the thing that will hurt both of them is that they will tend to split a lot of votes," Van Gundy said. "People will look at the Miami Heat and say, `Wow, those guys deserve a lot of credit,' and some will vote for Shaq and some will vote for Dwyane. "Probably that's the way it should be, but they're both very deserving MVP candidates." The same could be said for Nash and Stoudemire in Phoenix. While Nash is first in assists (11.4) and eighth in 3-point percentage (.424), Stoudemire is fourth in scoring (26.1) and second in field-goal percentage (.565). Van Gundy said he believes the MVP should come from one of the elite teams. "You have to have a real feeling that these are guys who really elevate their team," Van Gundy said. "It's Most Valuable Player -- somebody who can really take a team far beyond the level that they would be at without them. Both of our guys would fit into that category."
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Levi 20 March 2005 02:50:30 [ permanent link ]
	In article <d1hodl$k71@dispatch.concentric.net>, "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basketball/heat/sfl-heatnote19mar19,0,550> 0781.story?coll=sfla-sports-heat> MIAMI · With a month left in the regular season, debate over which player> deserves to be the NBA's MVP is about to begin.> Shaquille O'Neal, the 2000 winner, has helped the Heat to the NBA's best> record (51-16), leads the NBA in field-goal percentage (.594) and is second> in blocks (153) and sixth in rebounds (10.3 a game). I'm with Charles Barkley on this one. O'Neal has exposed Dr. Buss's foolishness... Other front-runners include Phoenix's Steve Nash, San Antonio's Tim Duncan> and Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki. Others who deserve consideration are Phoenix's> Amare Stoudemire, Cleveland's LeBron James, Seattle's Ray Allen and> Minnesota's Kevin Garnett. KG has the stats, and means everyhing to the Timberwolves. But it's been a tough season, including battling tendinitis in his knee. Local Twin Cities reporter Britt Robson wrote: : KG's hurting, and here's the proof. The year's most jaw-dropping : stat: Over the course of 13 February games, the Wolves scored 62 : fewer total points than their opponents. During the time Kevin : Garnett was on the court during that month, the deficit was 72 : points. In February, that is, the Wolves performed better with KG : on the bench than with KG on the court. And over the 1st eight games in March, the trend continued. The Wolves are -31pts while KG is on court. While he was off court, the Wolves were +28. Sadly, Garnett doesn't get my vote this year.
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Guest 20 March 2005 04:02:39 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:50:30 -0600, leviDESPAME@visiDESPAM.com (Levi) wrote: In article <d1hodl$k71@dispatch.concentric.net>, "s_knight8"><s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:> http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basketball/heat/sfl-heatnote19mar19,0,550>> 0781.story?coll=sfla-sports-heat>> MIAMI ? With a month left in the regular season, debate over which player>> deserves to be the NBA's MVP is about to begin.>> Shaquille O'Neal, the 2000 winner, has helped the Heat to the NBA's best>> record (51-16), leads the NBA in field-goal percentage (.594) and is second>> in blocks (153) and sixth in rebounds (10.3 a game).> I'm with Charles Barkley on this one. O'Neal has exposed Dr. Buss's >foolishness... I kind of agree that perhaps Buss had no choice but to trade away Shaq to placate Kobe. But then a trade that's primarily Shaq for Odom? That's mind boggling.
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Mr Black 20 March 2005 05:14:26 [ permanent link ]
	Dirk the dark horse....all the way....just check out the stats of this MVP sleeper. MrB "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d1hodl$k71@dispatch.concentric.net...> http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basketball/heat/sfl-heatnote19mar19,0,550> 0781.story?coll=sfla-sports-heat> MIAMI · With a month left in the regular season, debate over which player> deserves to be the NBA's MVP is about to begin.> Shaquille O'Neal, the 2000 winner, has helped the Heat to the NBA's best> record (51-16), leads the NBA in field-goal percentage (.594) and is second> in blocks (153) and sixth in rebounds (10.3 a game).> Other front-runners include Phoenix's Steve Nash, San Antonio's Tim Duncan> and Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki. Others who deserve consideration are Phoenix's> Amare Stoudemire, Cleveland's LeBron James, Seattle's Ray Allen and> Minnesota's Kevin Garnett.> And there's the Heat's Dwyane Wade, who is eighth in scoring (23.8) and> sixth in assists (7.0) entering tonight's home game against the New York> Knicks.> Coach Stan Van Gundy wonders whether the Heat having two qualified MVP> candidates will offset each other's chances of capturing the award.> "Those guys are both as valuable as any player in the league, but to be> quite honest, I think the thing that will hurt both of them is that they> will tend to split a lot of votes," Van Gundy said. "People will look at Miami Heat and say, `Wow, those guys deserve a lot of credit,' and some will> vote for Shaq and some will vote for Dwyane.> "Probably that's the way it should be, but they're both very deserving MVP> candidates."> The same could be said for Nash and Stoudemire in Phoenix. While Nash is> first in assists (11.4) and eighth in 3-point percentage (.424), Stoudemire> is fourth in scoring (26.1) and second in field-goal percentage (.565).> Van Gundy said he believes the MVP should come from one of the elite teams.> "You have to have a real feeling that these are guys who really elevate> their team," Van Gundy said. "It's Most Valuable Player -- somebody who really take a team far beyond the level that they would be at without them.> Both of our guys would fit into that category.">
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Mick 20 March 2005 15:32:50 [ permanent link ]
	Mr Black wrote: Dirk the dark horse....all the way....just check out the stats of this MVP> sleeper. I'm with you on Dirk's bandwagon. Can't understand why he's getting so little attention.
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Gary Collard 20 March 2005 21:48:01 [ permanent link ]
	Levi wrote:> In article <d1hodl$k71@dispatch.concentric.net>, "s_knight8"> <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:> http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basketball/heat/sfl-heatnote19mar19,0,550> > 0781.story?coll=sfla-sports-heat> > MIAMI В· With a month left in the regular season, debate over which player> > deserves to be the NBA's MVP is about to begin.> > Shaquille O'Neal, the 2000 winner, has helped the Heat to the NBA's best> > record (51-16), leads the NBA in field-goal percentage (.594) and is second> > in blocks (153) and sixth in rebounds (10.3 a game).> I'm with Charles Barkley on this one. O'Neal has exposed Dr. Buss's> foolishness...> Other front-runners include Phoenix's Steve Nash, San Antonio's Tim Duncan> > and Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki. Others who deserve consideration are Phoenix's> > Amare Stoudemire, Cleveland's LeBron James, Seattle's Ray Allen and> > Minnesota's Kevin Garnett.> KG has the stats, and means everyhing to the Timberwolves. But it's> been a tough season, including battling tendinitis in his knee.> Local Twin Cities reporter Britt Robson wrote:> : KG's hurting, and here's the proof. The year's most jaw-dropping> : stat: Over the course of 13 February games, the Wolves scored 62> : fewer total points than their opponents. During the time Kevin> : Garnett was on the court during that month, the deficit was 72> : points. In February, that is, the Wolves performed better with KG> : on the bench than with KG on the court.> And over the 1st eight games in March, the trend continued. The> Wolves are -31pts while KG is on court. While he was off court,> the Wolves were +28. A lot of this is likely due to him just not playing that hard at the defensive end this year after the first month or so. Whether it is the team turmoil or nagging health stuff that is causing it, you would know better than I. -- Gary Collard SABR-L Moderator gmcollard@yahoo.com "Just when I think my artificial stupidity software is ready for market, some human being demonstrates how poorly my program emulates genuine stupidity. I can only shake my head in awe and amazement." -- Chuck Bonner
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Levi 20 March 2005 22:04:50 [ permanent link ]
	In article <3a55b2F66drp3U1@individual.net>, Mick <MickBarr@hotmail.com> wrote: Mr Black wrote:> Dirk the dark horse....all the way....just check out the stats of this> > MVP sleeper.> I'm with you on Dirk's bandwagon. Can't understand why he's> getting so little attention. Probably his reputation for poor defense, rebounding and lollygagging out at the three-pt. line from years past is keeping him "down". If he improves again next year, he might be a serious contender, as may be the Mavs. IMHO, adding Van Horn and Dampier have given them a much needed toughness. Just add a little seasoning at point guard. Avery Johnson's the man to make it happen.
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Mick 21 March 2005 04:30:28 [ permanent link ]
	Levi wrote:> In article <3a55b2F66drp3U1@individual.net>, Mick <MickBarr@hotmail.com> wrote:> Mr Black wrote:>> Dirk the dark horse....all the way....just check out the stats of this>> > MVP sleeper.>> I'm with you on Dirk's bandwagon. Can't understand why he's>>getting so little attention.> Probably his reputation for poor defense, rebounding and lollygagging > out at the three-pt. line from years past is keeping him "down". If > he improves again next year, he might be a serious contender, as may> be the Mavs. Well, it's nice that I'm not the only one who's noticed his defensive improvement this season. IMHO, adding Van Horn and Dampier have given them a> much needed toughness. Just add a little seasoning at point guard.> Avery Johnson's the man to make it happen. "Van Horn" and "toughness" make for an interesting sentence.
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Brink 21 March 2005 06:52:16 [ permanent link ]
	"Levi" <leviDESPAME@visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message news:leviDESPAME-2003051205200001@10.0.0.2...> In article <3a55b2F66drp3U1@individual.net>, Mick <MickBarr@hotmail.com> > wrote:> Mr Black wrote:>> Dirk the dark horse....all the way....just check out the stats of this>> > MVP sleeper.>> I'm with you on Dirk's bandwagon. Can't understand why he's>> getting so little attention.> Probably his reputation for poor defense, rebounding and lollygagging> out at the three-pt. line from years past is keeping him "down". yeah, it's funny the perception of him as still being another "soft euro" when the guy clearly brings it on the boards and drives into the paint with regularity (check his FTAs). the whole team has a soft rep which it just doesn't deserve this year. they're a much tougher defensive team this season and dirk is no longer a perimeter player with no D. brink
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cLIeNUX user 21 March 2005 08:38:52 [ permanent link ]
	humbubba@smart.net>Levi wrote:>> In article <3a55b2F66drp3U1@individual.net>, Mick <MickBarr@hotmail.com> wrote:>> Mr Black wrote:>>> Dirk the dark horse....all the way....just check out the stats of this>>> > MVP sleeper.>>> I'm with you on Dirk's bandwagon. Can't understand why he's>>>getting so little attention.>> Probably his reputation for poor defense, rebounding and lollygagging >> out at the three-pt. line from years past is keeping him "down". If >> he improves again next year, he might be a serious contender, as may>> be the Mavs.> Well, it's nice that I'm not the only one who's noticed his defensive >improvement this season.> IMHO, adding Van Horn and Dampier have given them a>> much needed toughness. Just add a little seasoning at point guard.>> Avery Johnson's the man to make it happen.> "Van Horn" and "toughness" make for an interesting sentence. I almost posted on the same theme. Only in Dallas I guess. KVH is funny though. He's only a wuss on offense. -- Rick (Richard Allen) Hohensee write-in candidate, President of the United States of America platform ftp://linux01.gwdg.de/pub/cLIeNUX/interim/platform2 personal webpage http://linux01.gwdg.de/~rhohen active in Usenet alt.politicscolorg on IRC humbubba@smart.netMaryland, USA Ground troops out of Iraq Put the CIA under INS Save Darfur Semi-legalize drugs Prosecute Bush Tighten the borders Isolate Israel Tax churches halve military aquisitions government jobs for Iraq-wounded soldiers and 9-11 survivors please email my platform to friends, blogs and countrymen -------------------------------------------------------------
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Charlie Board 24 March 2005 03:55:05 [ permanent link ]
	Mick wrote:> Mr Black wrote:> Dirk the dark horse....all the way....just check out the stats of this >> MVP>> sleeper.> I'm with you on Dirk's bandwagon. Can't understand why he's getting > so little attention. Defense.
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Brink 24 March 2005 04:25:34 [ permanent link ]
	"Charlie Board" <charlieDIESPAMMERSboard@nc.rr.com> wrote in message news:424201D7.2080903@nc.rr.com...> Mick wrote:>> Mr Black wrote:>> Dirk the dark horse....all the way....just check out the stats of this >>> MVP>>> sleeper.>> I'm with you on Dirk's bandwagon. Can't understand why he's getting >> so little attention.> Defense. oh, so that explains why steve "12th team NBA all-defense" nash is getting all that MVP hype... brink
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Brian Tung 24 March 2005 04:57:52 [ permanent link ]
	brink wrote:> oh, so that explains why steve "12th team NBA all-defense" nash is getting > all that MVP hype... That would indicate that Nash is ranked somewhere in the 56-60 range on defense. Just thought you might want to rethink that. Brian Tung <brian@isi.edu> The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/ Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/ The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/ My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.txt
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Jeff Mayner 24 March 2005 05:24:02 [ permanent link ]
	brink wrote:> "Charlie Board" <charlieDIESPAMMERSboard@nc.rr.com> wrote in message> news:424201D7.2080903@nc.rr.com...>> Mick wrote:>>> Mr Black wrote:>>> Dirk the dark horse....all the way....just check out the stats of>>>> this MVP>>>> sleeper.>>> I'm with you on Dirk's bandwagon. Can't understand why he's>>> getting so little attention.>> Defense.> oh, so that explains why steve "12th team NBA all-defense" nash is> getting all that MVP hype... Well, the Lakers used to have a PG that made bucketloads of assists, ran the floor and scored when he had to. If I remember correctly, he was not known for his steller defense. Jeff brink
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D. Gerasimatos 24 March 2005 05:43:33 [ permanent link ]
	In article <26qdnWGVe4Evi9_fRVn-2A@giganews.com>, Jeff Mayner <jeffmayner@yahoo.com> wrote:> Well, the Lakers used to have a PG that made bucketloads of assists, ran the >floor and scored when he had to. If I remember correctly, he was not known >for his steller defense. True, but no one was mentioning Van Exel for MVP. Dimitri
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Charlie Board 24 March 2005 07:06:46 [ permanent link ]
	Brian Tung wrote:> brink wrote:> oh, so that explains why steve "12th team NBA all-defense" nash is getting >>all that MVP hype...> That would indicate that Nash is ranked somewhere in the 56-60 range on> defense.> Just thought you might want to rethink that. lol Brian Tung <brian@isi.edu>> The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/> Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/> The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/> My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.txt
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Mick 25 March 2005 18:35:11 [ permanent link ]
	Charlie Board wrote: Mick wrote:> Mr Black wrote:>> Dirk the dark horse....all the way....just check out the stats of >>> this MVP>>> sleeper.>> I'm with you on Dirk's bandwagon. Can't understand why he's >> getting so little attention.> Defense. He's much improved there this season.
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Mr Black 26 March 2005 04:16:40 [ permanent link ]
	"Charlie Board" <charlieDIESPAMMERSboard@nc.rr.com> wrote in message news:424201D7.2080903@nc.rr.com...> Mick wrote:> > Mr Black wrote:> > Dirk the dark horse....all the way....just check out the stats of this> >> MVP> >> sleeper.> > I'm with you on Dirk's bandwagon. Can't understand why he's getting> > so little attention.> Defense. You dont check current the stats obviously, you are just riding old news. The man has D.
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Charlie Board 26 March 2005 09:14:02 [ permanent link ]
	Mr Black wrote:> "Charlie Board" <charlieDIESPAMMERSboard@nc.rr.com> wrote in message> news:424201D7.2080903@nc.rr.com...> Mick wrote:>> Mr Black wrote:>>> Dirk the dark horse....all the way....just check out the stats of this>>>>MVP>>>>sleeper.>>> I'm with you on Dirk's bandwagon. Can't understand why he's getting>>>so little attention.>> Defense.> You dont check current the stats obviously, you are just riding old news.> The man has D. Not MVP D..
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Larry Walansky 31 March 2005 11:46:44 [ permanent link ]
	i_am_bbking@yahoo.com wrote:> s_knight8 wrote:> http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basketball/heat/sfl-heatnote19mar19,0,550> 0781.story?coll=sfla-sports-heat>> MIAMI В· With a month left in the regular season, debate over which> player> deserves to be the NBA's MVP is about to begin.>> Shaquille O'Neal, the 2000 winner, has helped the Heat to the NBA's> best> record (51-16), leads the NBA in field-goal percentage (.594) and is> second> in blocks (153) and sixth in rebounds (10.3 a game).>> Other front-runners include Phoenix's Steve Nash, San Antonio's Tim> Duncan> and Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki. Others who deserve consideration are> Phoenix's> Amare Stoudemire, Cleveland's LeBron James, Seattle's Ray Allen and>>Minnesota's Kevin Garnett.>> And there's the Heat's Dwyane Wade, who is eighth in scoring (23.8)> sixth in assists (7.0) entering tonight's home game against the New> York> Knicks.>> There's this wierd phenomenon that seems to go on every year.> How can Wade by league MVP when he isn't even MVP of his own team?> How can Amare be league MVP when he isn't even MVP of his own team?> This doesn't make any sense.> -BB> Simple, sports don't make sense often. -Larry Webmaster of http://www.MiamiHeatCentral.com
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