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Perusion Hostmaster 13 March 2005 01:18:58
	Please do not seed Georgia Tech #8 or #9. It would be a terrible injustice to whichever #1 seed they were bracketed with. -- I don't want to get to the end of my life and find I have just lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it as well. -- Diane Ackerman
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Don Del Grande 13 March 2005 03:05:36 [ permanent link ]
	Perusion Hostmaster wrote: Please do not seed Georgia Tech #8 or #9. It would be a terrible>injustice to whichever #1 seed they were bracketed with. Then again, they have to make up for #1 Duke losing to a #9 Cal team (Jason Kidd's freshman year) a few years back somehow... -- Don
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Jason Arndt 13 March 2005 03:52:23 [ permanent link ]
	Don Del Grande wrote:> Perusion Hostmaster wrote:> Please do not seed Georgia Tech #8 or #9. It would be a terrible>>injustice to whichever #1 seed they were bracketed with.> Then again, they have to make up for #1 Duke losing to a #9 Cal team> (Jason Kidd's freshman year) a few years back somehow... Duke was a 3 that year, and Cal was a 6. I'm almost 100% positive Duke has never lost in the second round as a 1 seed.
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James Gibson 14 March 2005 07:28:07 [ permanent link ]
	Perusion Hostmaster <nanae@nanae.perusion.com> wrote in news:slrnd36n61.s85.nanae@bill.heins.net: Please do not seed Georgia Tech #8 or #9. It would be a terrible> injustice to whichever #1 seed they were bracketed with.> Well, they got a #5 so your wish is granted there.
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Perusion Hostmaster 14 March 2005 07:47:47 [ permanent link ]
	On 2005-03-14, James Gibson <jgibson_hmc95@yahoo.com> wrote:> Perusion Hostmaster <nanae@nanae.perusion.com> wrote in > news:slrnd36n61.s85.nanae@bill.heins.net:> Please do not seed Georgia Tech #8 or #9. It would be a terrible>> injustice to whichever #1 seed they were bracketed with.>> Well, they got a #5 so your wish is granted there. The committee did a really good job. Other than UL a two or three and UConn a three or four, I have no problem with what they did. Bowlsby did explain that they thought the respect the Big East got this year made them deserve a 2. This is a clear case of the media trumping the numbers, as my take had the Big East with all four number 4 seeds. -- I am a great believer in luck, and I find that the harder I work the more luck I have. -- Thomas Jefferson
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James Gibson 14 March 2005 08:00:16 [ permanent link ]
	Perusion Hostmaster <nanae@nanae.perusion.com> wrote in news:slrnd3a2b2.45o.nanae@bill.heins.net: On 2005-03-14, James Gibson <jgibson_hmc95@yahoo.com> wrote:>> Perusion Hostmaster <nanae@nanae.perusion.com> wrote in >> news:slrnd36n61.s85.nanae@bill.heins.net:>> Please do not seed Georgia Tech #8 or #9. It would be a terrible>>> injustice to whichever #1 seed they were bracketed with.>>> Well, they got a #5 so your wish is granted there.> The committee did a really good job. Other than UL a two or three and> UConn a three or four, I have no problem with what they did. > Bowlsby did explain that they thought the respect the Big East> got this year made them deserve a 2. This is a clear case of the> media trumping the numbers, as my take had the Big East with all> four number 4 seeds.> The thing I don't understand about that is that they obvioulsy penalized other Big East teams vs. media perception - BC got a 4, Pitt got a 9, ND was out of the field, but somehow UConn came through with the #2 seed based on Big East strength, even though they lost to the only OOC teams they played of note. Maybe it was more them being defending national champs.
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Edward M. Kennedy 14 March 2005 08:02:53 [ permanent link ]
	"James Gibson" <jgibson_hmc95@yahoo.com> wrote Please do not seed Georgia Tech #8 or #9. It would be a terrible> > injustice to whichever #1 seed they were bracketed with.> Well, they got a #5 so your wish is granted there. Putting things off for one game... --Tedward
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Perusion Hostmaster 14 March 2005 08:25:52 [ permanent link ]
	On 2005-03-14, James Gibson <jgibson_hmc95@yahoo.com> wrote:> Perusion Hostmaster <nanae@nanae.perusion.com> wrote in > news:slrnd3a2b2.45o.nanae@bill.heins.net:> On 2005-03-14, James Gibson <jgibson_hmc95@yahoo.com> wrote:>>> Perusion Hostmaster <nanae@nanae.perusion.com> wrote in >>> news:slrnd36n61.s85.nanae@bill.heins.net:>>> Please do not seed Georgia Tech #8 or #9. It would be a terrible>>>> injustice to whichever #1 seed they were bracketed with.>>>> Well, they got a #5 so your wish is granted there.>> The committee did a really good job. Other than UL a two or three and>> UConn a three or four, I have no problem with what they did. >> Bowlsby did explain that they thought the respect the Big East>> got this year made them deserve a 2. This is a clear case of the>> media trumping the numbers, as my take had the Big East with all>> four number 4 seeds.>> The thing I don't understand about that is that they obvioulsy penalized> other Big East teams vs. media perception - BC got a 4, Pitt got a 9, ND> was out of the field, but somehow UConn came through with the #2 seed> based on Big East strength, even though they lost to the only OOC teams> they played of note. Maybe it was more them being defending national> champs. I think they were afraid of the East Coast media bias. Without that #2 seed thrown as a bone to a dog, the Big East would have gotten four number fours and the feeding frenzy would have been on. The conference as a whole had one non-conference win over teams seeded 1-5, and two over teams seeded 1-8 (#3 Kansas and #6 LSU). That is not the stuff of high seeds. -- Being against torture ought to be sort of a bipartisan thing. -- Karl Lehenbauer
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Parag Gajarawala 14 March 2005 08:30:04 [ permanent link ]
	"Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam@baconburger.com> wrote in message news:d132ft$cr0$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu...> "James Gibson" <jgibson_hmc95@yahoo.com> wrote> Please do not seed Georgia Tech #8 or #9. It would be a terrible> > > injustice to whichever #1 seed they were bracketed with.> > Well, they got a #5 so your wish is granted there.> Putting things off for one game... Are you serious? I for one am not looking forward to a potential second round date w/ Louisville. What are they, like 18 of their last 19 or something? We'll have to play really well to get to Washington. -Parag
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Milt Epstein 14 March 2005 08:44:40 [ permanent link ]
	James Gibson <jgibson_hmc95@yahoo.com> writes: Perusion Hostmaster <nanae@nanae.perusion.com> wrote in >news:slrnd3a2b2.45o.nanae@bill.heins.net:> On 2005-03-14, James Gibson <jgibson_hmc95@yahoo.com> wrote:>>> Perusion Hostmaster <nanae@nanae.perusion.com> wrote in >>> news:slrnd36n61.s85.nanae@bill.heins.net:>>> Please do not seed Georgia Tech #8 or #9. It would be a terrible>>>> injustice to whichever #1 seed they were bracketed with.>>>> Well, they got a #5 so your wish is granted there.>> The committee did a really good job. Other than UL a two or three and>> UConn a three or four, I have no problem with what they did. >> Bowlsby did explain that they thought the respect the Big East>> got this year made them deserve a 2. This is a clear case of the>> media trumping the numbers, as my take had the Big East with all>> four number 4 seeds.> The thing I don't understand about that is that they obvioulsy>penalized other Big East teams vs. media perception - BC got a 4,>Pitt got a 9, ND was out of the field, but somehow UConn came through>with the #2 seed based on Big East strength, even though they lost to>the only OOC teams they played of note. Maybe it was more them being>defending national champs. I'm guessing part of it is them coming together and playing well down the stretch. But they didn't close it out and win the conference tournament. I too think a 2 is too high for them. Plus it looks like they were #7 on the S curve, higher than Oklahoma State. That surprises me as well. (Although I think I'm glad not to have them in Illinois' bracket . -- Milt Epstein mepstein@uiuc.edu
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Edward M. Kennedy 14 March 2005 19:45:55 [ permanent link ]
	"Milt Epstein" <mepstein@uiuc.edu> wrote I'm guessing part of it is them coming together and playing well down> the stretch. But they didn't close it out and win the conference> tournament. I too think a 2 is too high for them. Plus it looks like> they were #7 on the S curve, higher than Oklahoma State. That> surprises me as well. (Although I think I'm glad not to have them in> Illinois' bracket . You could put Sagarin 2-15 in Illinois' bracket and it would not make a difference. --Tedward
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Joseph Jeong 14 March 2005 19:54:44 [ permanent link ]
	James Gibson <jgibson_hmc95@yahoo.com> was rumored to have said:> Perusion Hostmaster <nanae@nanae.perusion.com> wrote in > news:slrnd36n61.s85.nanae@bill.heins.net:> Please do not seed Georgia Tech #8 or #9. It would be a terrible>> injustice to whichever #1 seed they were bracketed with.> Well, they got a #5 so your wish is granted there. i've got to admit, they showed a lot of love to us. i thought we were a #6 at best. but to be #5, playing at Nashville, TN for the first game and in the bracket with the weakest #1 seed. wow. -joseph
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Edward M. Kennedy 14 March 2005 20:14:02 [ permanent link ]
	"joseph jeong" <usenet@spamtrap.josephjeong.com> wrote Please do not seed Georgia Tech #8 or #9. It would be a terrible> >> injustice to whichever #1 seed they were bracketed with.> > Well, they got a #5 so your wish is granted there.> i've got to admit, they showed a lot of love to us. i thought we were a> #6 at best. but to be #5, playing at Nashville, TN for the first game> and in the bracket with the weakest #1 seed. wow. Love schmove. A six is better'n a five. --Tedward
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Milt Epstein 14 March 2005 21:19:39 [ permanent link ]
	"Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam@baconburger.com> writes: "Milt Epstein" <mepstein@uiuc.edu> wrote> I'm guessing part of it is them coming together and playing well>> down the stretch. But they didn't close it out and win the>> conference tournament. I too think a 2 is too high for them. Plus>> it looks like they were #7 on the S curve, higher than Oklahoma>> State. That surprises me as well. (Although I think I'm glad not>> to have them in Illinois' bracket .> You could put Sagarin 2-15 in Illinois' bracket and it would not make>a difference. OK, if you want to anti-woof your own team, fine, have at it, but when it comes to jinx-woofing Illinois, you've just got to stop it, I mean stop it, right now, you hear me, son. (Done in your finest Foghorn Leghorn.) -- Milt Epstein mepstein@uiuc.edu
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Guest 14 March 2005 22:20:54 [ permanent link ]
	They penalized BC and Pitt? BC and Pitt ended the year on a bad note. That's why they received lower seeds. Take a look at their schedules. I watched a lot of Big East basketball this year, and the seedings aren't far off base. I think UConn was lucky to get a 2 seed, but it made sense to seed them higher than the other BE teams. They finished the year strong, with a much improved backcourt. They beat syracuse two out of three this season, and all three games were in the last 10 games of the season.
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James Gibson 14 March 2005 22:56:50 [ permanent link ]
	yorgle7@yahoo.com wrote in news:1110824454.665799.256360 @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: They penalized BC and Pitt? BC and Pitt ended the year on a bad note.> That's why they received lower seeds. Take a look at their schedules. I> watched a lot of Big East basketball this year, and the seedings aren't> far off base. I think UConn was lucky to get a 2 seed, but it made> sense to seed them higher than the other BE teams. They finished the> year strong, with a much improved backcourt. They beat syracuse two out> of three this season, and all three games were in the last 10 games of> the season. I said they penalized BC and Pitt compared to their media perceptions, not that they penalized them vs. where they should have been. I was just discussing the genearl idea of the Big East seeding and media perception in general, and why UConn got a #2. I agree they got the other ones right (and West Virginia was rightfully a 7, since they actually did stuff non- conference), but I think UConn's high. I was puzzled why they didn't seem to be consistent across the board.
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Jama 15 March 2005 00:08:38 [ permanent link ]
	Keep in mind that before losing to Syracuse, UConn went 10-1 with the only loss being to UNC. This despite the fact that they did NOT have their leading scorer. It's clear the committee felt the Big East was the best conference top-to-bottom. Jama
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James Gibson 15 March 2005 00:45:57 [ permanent link ]
	"Jama" <mrjama@aol.com> wrote in news:1110830918.189415.200140 @l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: Keep in mind that before losing to Syracuse, UConn went 10-1 with the> only loss being to UNC.> This despite the fact that they did NOT have their leading scorer.> It's clear the committee felt the Big East was the best conference> top-to-bottom. That's not clear to me at all. Same number of tournament teams for the Big East as the Big XII, not taking a 9-7 team while taking 7-9 teams from the ACC and Big Ten suggest to me that 3 other conferences could vie for title of "conference the committee thought was best top-to-bottom."
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Andrew Murawa 15 March 2005 01:51:43 [ permanent link ]
	"Parag Gajarawala" <gtg657b@mail.gatech.edu> wrote in message news:d13334$8d4$1@news-int.gatech.edu...> "Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam@baconburger.com> wrote in message> news:d132ft$cr0$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu...>> "James Gibson" <jgibson_hmc95@yahoo.com> wrote>> Please do not seed Georgia Tech #8 or #9. It would be a terrible>> > > injustice to whichever #1 seed they were bracketed with.>> > Well, they got a #5 so your wish is granted there.>> Putting things off for one game...> Are you serious? I for one am not looking forward to a potential second> round date w/ Louisville. What are they, like 18 of their last 19 or> something? We'll have to play really well to get to Washington. And Washington doesn't exactly have an easy route to the Sweet 16... A team like Pittsburgh with effective front line players and decent perimeter defense can give Washington trouble...
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Zaphod Beeblebrox 15 March 2005 02:07:32 [ permanent link ]
	Andrew Murawa wrote:> "Parag Gajarawala" <gtg657b@mail.gatech.edu> wrote in message > news:d13334$8d4$1@news-int.gatech.edu...> "Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam@baconburger.com> wrote in message>>news:d132ft$cr0$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu...>> "James Gibson" <jgibson_hmc95@yahoo.com> wrote>>> Please do not seed Georgia Tech #8 or #9. It would be a terrible>>>>>injustice to whichever #1 seed they were bracketed with.>>>> Well, they got a #5 so your wish is granted there.>>> Putting things off for one game...>> Are you serious? I for one am not looking forward to a potential second>>round date w/ Louisville. What are they, like 18 of their last 19 or>>something? We'll have to play really well to get to Washington.> And Washington doesn't exactly have an easy route to the Sweet 16... A team > like Pittsburgh with effective front line players and decent perimeter > defense can give Washington trouble... Heh! Heh! Decent perimeter defense he said... -- I'm so hip I have trouble seeing over my pelvis. I'm so cool you can keep a side of meat in me for months.
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Guest 15 March 2005 04:35:44 [ permanent link ]
	James Gibson wrote:> yorgle7@yahoo.com wrote in news:1110824454.665799.256360> @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:> They penalized BC and Pitt? BC and Pitt ended the year on a bad note.> > That's why they received lower seeds. Take a look at their schedules. I> > watched a lot of Big East basketball this year, and the seedings aren't> > far off base. I think UConn was lucky to get a 2 seed, but it made> > sense to seed them higher than the other BE teams. They finished year strong, with a much improved backcourt. They beat syracuse two of three this season, and all three games were in the last 10 games the season.> I said they penalized BC and Pitt compared to their media perceptions, not> that they penalized them vs. where they should have been. I was just discussing the genearl idea of the Big East seeding and media perception> in general, and why UConn got a #2. I agree they got the other ones right> (and West Virginia was rightfully a 7, since they actually did stuff non-> conference), but I think UConn's high. I was puzzled why they didn't seem> to be consistent across the board. What I'm saying is that they penalized BC and Pitt for ending the season poorly. UConn and Villanova went up due to ending the season strong. Prior to the Big East Tourny, Syracuse was stumbling that the end of the season. Had they lost to UConn, or lost in their first game, they would have been no better than a 6 seed. So I think Syracuse did benefit from winning the Big East tourny. I just think some people are forgetting that they ended the regular season going 5-5.
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Charlie Board 16 March 2005 08:47:22 [ permanent link ]
	Edward M. Kennedy wrote:> "Milt Epstein" <mepstein@uiuc.edu> wrote> I'm guessing part of it is them coming together and playing well down>>the stretch. But they didn't close it out and win the conference>>tournament. I too think a 2 is too high for them. Plus it looks like>>they were #7 on the S curve, higher than Oklahoma State. That>>surprises me as well. (Although I think I'm glad not to have them in>>Illinois' bracket .> You could put Sagarin 2-15 in Illinois' bracket and it would> not make a difference.> Verily, the truth is bespoken.
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