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So.. are we in?

Bryan S . Slick 6 March 2005 09:53:07
 15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of
events at Clemson.. grumble..

Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?

Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.

Thoughts?

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OrangeDood 6 March 2005 03:57:54 [ permanent link ]
 If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another
five minutes, Bryan S. Slick <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om>!
15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish> turn of events at Clemson.. grumble..>
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>
Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.>
Thoughts?

Sure, you're in. New York's nice this time of year. Enjoy.

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James Schrumpf 6 March 2005 04:08:16 [ permanent link ]
 How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Bryan S. Slick <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om>?
Shaken, or stirred?
15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of > events at Clemson.. grumble..>
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>
Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.>
Thoughts?>

First, the ACC isn't the best conference any more, the Big East is.

Secondly, no way a 12-loss team from the 2nd-best conference gets in.

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Bryan S . Slick 6 March 2005 04:09:13 [ permanent link ]
 [OrangeDood (no_this_isnt@my_email.com)]
[5 Mar 2005 17:57:54 -0600]

:If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another
:five minutes, Bryan S. Slick <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om>!
:
:> 15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish
:> turn of events at Clemson.. grumble..
:>
:> Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?
:>
:> Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.
:>
:> Thoughts?
:
:Sure, you're in. New York's nice this time of year. Enjoy.

I wouldn't mind the NIT, actually.. Hokies might actually have a shot at
winning that one.

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Joel K. 'Jay' Furr 6 March 2005 04:17:24 [ permanent link ]
 Bryan S. Slick <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om> wrote in
news:MPG.1c941436c1­75486e98c92d@news-40­.giganews.com:
:Sure, you're in. New York's nice this time of year. Enjoy.>
I wouldn't mind the NIT, actually.. Hokies might actually have a shot at > winning that one.>

If Tech takes two games in the ACC tournament, I'd say we're in.
Otherwise, no.

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Bryan S . Slick 6 March 2005 04:24:48 [ permanent link ]
 [James Schrumpf (jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet)]
[Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:08:16 -0600]

:How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Bryan S. Slick <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om>?
:Shaken, or stirred?
:
:> 15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of
:> events at Clemson.. grumble..
:>
:> Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?
:>
:> Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.
:>
:> Thoughts?
:>
:
:First, the ACC isn't the best conference any more, the Big East is.

Have another donut.

:Secondly, no way a 12-loss team from the 2nd-best conference gets in.

WVU only has 9 losses, James.. and you're right, they shouldn't be in.


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James Schrumpf 6 March 2005 04:28:52 [ permanent link ]
 How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Bryan S. Slick
<onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om>? Shaken, or stirred?
[James Schrumpf (jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet)]> [Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:08:16 -0600]>
:How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Bryan S. Slick>:<onyx_hokie@­yahoo.com>? Shaken, or stirred?>:>:> 15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn>:> of events at Clemson.. grumble..>:> >:> Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>:> >:> Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.>:> >:> Thoughts?>:> >:>:First, the ACC isn't the best conference any more, the Big East is.>
Have another donut.>
:Secondly, no way a 12-loss team from the 2nd-best conference gets in.>
WVU only has 9 losses, James.. and you're right, they shouldn't be in.>

Wah.

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StephenJ 6 March 2005 04:30:18 [ permanent link ]
 at this point, no. you've got those two razor-thin wins over duke and gt,
but no good ooc wins (and losses to vmi and w. michigan (at home)) look
ugly.

but you're now on the bubble. i say it will probably take 2 ACC tourney game
wins to get in.

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"Bryan S. Slick" <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c9410ffdd­aad2c098c92a@news-> >40.giganews.com...­> 15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of> events at Clemson.. grumble..>
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>
Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.


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Jeremy Chapman 6 March 2005 04:52:32 [ permanent link ]
 
"Bryan S. Slick" <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c9410ffdd­aad2c098c92a@news-40­.giganews.com...> 15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of> events at Clemson.. grumble..>
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>
Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.>
Thoughts?

Va Tech is still alive for an at-large bid. The OOC schedule (especially
the losses) are bad, but they might still get a Thursday bye as the 4 seed
in the ACC Tournament (which has to count for something in my book).

0 wins in the ACC Tournament: NIT
1 win in the ACC Tournament: Hope there aren't many upsets in small
conference tournaments
2 wins in the ACC Tournament: In, but a 9 or 10 seed, probably


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Bryan S . Slick 6 March 2005 04:55:25 [ permanent link ]
 [Jeremy Chapman (jchapman3@triad.rr.com)]
[Sun, 06 Mar 2005 00:52:32 GMT]

:
:"Bryan S. Slick" <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om> wrote in message
:news:MPG.1c9410ffd­daad2c098c92a@news-4­0.giganews.com...
:> 15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of
:> events at Clemson.. grumble..
:>
:> Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?
:>
:> Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.
:>
:> Thoughts?
:
:Va Tech is still alive for an at-large bid. The OOC schedule (especially
:the losses) are bad, but they might still get a Thursday bye as the 4 seed
:in the ACC Tournament (which has to count for something in my book).
:
:0 wins in the ACC Tournament: NIT
:1 win in the ACC Tournament: Hope there aren't many upsets in small
:conference tournaments
:2 wins in the ACC Tournament: In, but a 9 or 10 seed, probably

All things considered, I think I might prefer an NIT bid.. hrm.

Would you rather play in the NIT and do well or get to the NCAA and get
wiped out? Or more to the point, have a shot at winning the NIT or go
to the NCAA knowing it would be the most momentous string of upsets in
NCAA history for your team to win it all?

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Bryan S. Slick, onyx_hokie at yahoo dot com

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in fact, you tell me just when and where, and I'll buy the first round"

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Guest 6 March 2005 05:04:02 [ permanent link ]
 Bryan S. Slick writes:
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?

Texas A&M's non-conference schedule just isn't quite strong enough to
get them in.

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Kokopeli 6 March 2005 05:36:22 [ permanent link ]
 
"Bryan S. Slick" <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c9410ffdd­aad2c098c92a@news-40­.giganews.com...> 15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of> events at Clemson.. grumble..>
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?

Sadly, I don't think so, at least for the Big Dance. You'll need to hope
that NC State loses to Wake, then beat Ga Tech in the opening round, and
start praying that Pacific doesn't get knocked off and Gonzaga/St. Mary's
win the WCC.

Two wins in the tourney, though, means you're either beating Duke or UNC,
and that makes it all but certain you're dancing.

The NIT is definitely a lock, though.
Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.

It's your triple-digit RPI that's dragging you down more than anything else.
dw


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Jack 6 March 2005 05:47:07 [ permanent link ]
 On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:55:39 -0500, Bryan S. Slick
<onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om> wrote:
15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of >events at Clemson.. grumble..>
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>
Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.>
Thoughts?

If you had a bigger, um team, no one would ask if you were in yet.

Jack
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Tony Rice 6 March 2005 05:54:08 [ permanent link ]
 Bryan S. Slick <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om> wrote in
news:MPG.1c9410ffdd­aad2c098c92a@news-40­.giganews.com:
15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of > events at Clemson.. grumble..>
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>
Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.>
Thoughts?>

Personally, I dont give a crap which tourney the Hokies get into. .500 the
first year in the ACC is way better than I expected. It's all gravy from
here on out.

1 senior. 1 freaking senior. And a team that's gelling really well. Next
year is gunna be even more fun.
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Det282 6 March 2005 05:55:55 [ permanent link ]
 
Bryan S. Slick wrote:> 15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of
events at Clemson.. grumble..>
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>
Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.>
Thoughts?

I'd have to say NIT for sure. You'd need at least 2 wins in the ACC
Tourney to have an NCAA chance. Your coach has chance for ACC coach of
the year though.

Greg Reeves

"There's nothing wrong with shooting,
just as long as the right people get shot."
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Edward M. Kennedy 6 March 2005 06:11:13 [ permanent link ]
 "Bryan S. Slick" <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om> wrote
All things considered, I think I might prefer an NIT bid.. hrm.>
Would you rather play in the NIT and do well or get to the NCAA and get> wiped out? Or more to the point, have a shot at winning the NIT or go> to the NCAA knowing it would be the most momentous string of upsets in> NCAA history for your team to win it all?

In the long run, your program will benefit more from the NCAAs
unless you win the NIT or maybe finish second. No high school
star is dreaming of playing for an NIT bound school.

--Tedward

We're number 66! We're number 66! We're number 66!


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Perusion Hostmaster 6 March 2005 06:28:33 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-03-06, James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrump­f@adelphia.nospamnet­> wrote:> How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Bryan S. Slick <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om>? > Shaken, or stirred?>
15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of >> events at Clemson.. grumble..>>
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>>
Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.>>
Thoughts?>>
First, the ACC isn't the best conference any more, the Big East is.

So say you. You could say it is best top to bottom, except it is hard
to find the top.
Secondly, no way a 12-loss team from the 2nd-best conference gets in.>

No way any 12-loss team whose losses include VMI gets in, that's for
sure. Is that the biggest differential between a win and a loss ever?
Besting #3/4/5 Duke and losing to #311/#312/#317 VMI?

(Pomeroy/Sagarin/RP­I)


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Archibald Q . Leachington 6 March 2005 06:33:27 [ permanent link ]
 On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:55:39 -0500, in rec.sport.football.­college Bryan
S. Slick <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om> wrote:
15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of >events at Clemson.. grumble..>
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>
Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.>
Thoughts?

VaTech won't be considered ahead of 15-12 Indiana.

That much I do know. If the selection committee can find a way to get
IU into the field of 65, they will.



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George W . Harris 6 March 2005 06:33:32 [ permanent link ]
 James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrump­f@adelphia.nospamnet­> wrote:

:First, the ACC isn't the best conference any more, the Big East is.

What top thirty* teams has the Big East beaten
out of conference? Kansas. That's *it*.

What top thirty teams has the ACC beaten out of
conference? Iowa, Kentucky, Connecticut, Arizona
(twice), Texas, Cincinnati, Michigan State, Oklahoma,
Florida (twice) and Ohio State,

* All ratings Pomeroy.

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Dennis 6 March 2005 07:23:27 [ permanent link ]
 Bryan S. Slick <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om> You're digging it round, when it
aughta Be SQUARE
15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of >events at Clemson.. grumble..>
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>
Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.>
Thoughts?

I don't think the BCS takes multiple seasons into account for bowl
bids...


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Guest 6 March 2005 07:25:36 [ permanent link ]
 On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:28:52 -0600, James Schrumpf
<jaspammenotschrump­f@adelphia.nospamnet­> wrote:
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Bryan S. Slick><onyx_hokie@y­ahoo.com>? Shaken, or stirred? >
[James Schrumpf (jaspammenotschrumpf@adelphia.nospamnet)]>> [Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:08:16 -0600]>>
:How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Bryan S. Slick>>:<onyx_hokie­@yahoo.com>? Shaken, or stirred?>>:>>:> 15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn>>:> of events at Clemson.. grumble..>>:> >>:> Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>>:> >>:> Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.>>:> >>:> Thoughts?>>:> >>:>>:First, the ACC isn't the best conference any more, the Big East is.>>
Have another donut.>>
:Secondly, no way a 12-loss team from the 2nd-best conference gets in.>>
WVU only has 9 losses, James.. and you're right, they shouldn't be in.>>
Wah.

Don't respond to that idiot.

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Jim Bush 6 March 2005 07:26:03 [ permanent link ]
 I asked Bobby Dylan, I asked the Beatles, I asked "Kokopeli"
<wnalyd@de-l33t-me.­comcast.net>, but he couldn't help me either:
"Bryan S. Slick" <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om> wrote in message >news:MPG.1c9410ffd­daad2c098c92a@news-4­0.giganews.com...>> 15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of>> events at Clemson.. grumble..>>
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>
Sadly, I don't think so, at least for the Big Dance. You'll need to hope >that NC State loses to Wake, then beat Ga Tech in the opening round, and >start praying that Pacific doesn't get knocked off and Gonzaga/St. Mary's >win the WCC.>
Two wins in the tourney, though, means you're either beating Duke or UNC, >and that makes it all but certain you're dancing.>
The NIT is definitely a lock, though.>
Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.>
It's your triple-digit RPI that's dragging you down more than anything else.>dw

8-8 with a triple-digit RPI? Not a chance in hell for the NCAAs, and
the NIT is pretty iffy. (WIth three or four exceptions, the NIT field
consist of the 32 teams with the highest RPIs that didn't make the
NCAAs. Of course, if you're willing to guarantee a hefty ticket sale,
the NIT Committee is always willing to listen.)

Colorado went 10-6 in a pretty good Big XII last year with a lousy RPI
and didn't make it to the NCAAs, either.

Jim B.

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Dennis 6 March 2005 07:26:14 [ permanent link ]
 Archibald Q. Leachington <archie.leach@spam.­munge> You're digging it
round, when it aughta Be SQUARE
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:55:39 -0500, in rec.sport.football.­college Bryan>S. Slick <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om> wrote:>
15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of >>events at Clemson.. grumble..>>
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>>
Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.>>
Thoughts?>
VaTech won't be considered ahead of 15-12 Indiana.>
That much I do know. If the selection committee can find a way to get>IU into the field of 65, they will. >

yeah I'd like to see them play the red raiders in the first round...

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James Schrumpf 6 March 2005 08:11:32 [ permanent link ]
 How do you prefer your martini, Mr. George W. Harris
<gharrus@mundsprung­.com>? Shaken, or stirred?
James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrump­f@adelphia.nospamnet­> wrote:>
:First, the ACC isn't the best conference any more, the Big East is.>
What top thirty* teams has the Big East beaten > out of conference? Kansas. That's *it*.>
What top thirty teams has the ACC beaten out of > conference? Iowa, Kentucky, Connecticut, Arizona > (twice), Texas, Cincinnati, Michigan State, Oklahoma, > Florida (twice) and Ohio State, >
* All ratings Pomeroy.>

What's the ACC's record against the Big East?

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Perusion Hostmaster 6 March 2005 08:24:52 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-03-06, James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrump­f@adelphia.nospamnet­> wrote:> How do you prefer your martini, Mr. George W. Harris ><gharrus@mundsprun­g.com>? Shaken, or stirred?>
James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrump­f@adelphia.nospamnet­> wrote:>>
:First, the ACC isn't the best conference any more, the Big East is.>>
What top thirty* teams has the Big East beaten >> out of conference? Kansas. That's *it*.>>
What top thirty teams has the ACC beaten out of >> conference? Iowa, Kentucky, Connecticut, Arizona >> (twice), Texas, Cincinnati, Michigan State, Oklahoma, >> Florida (twice) and Ohio State, >>
* All ratings Pomeroy.>>
What's the ACC's record against the Big East?>

The Big East has played all the other power conferences bottom feeders
and beat up on them, I'll give you that. Certainly it counts for
something.

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Bryan S . Slick 6 March 2005 08:57:47 [ permanent link ]
 [Kokopeli (wnalyd@de-l33t-me.comcast.net)]
[Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:36:22 -0800]

:
:"Bryan S. Slick" <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om> wrote in message
:news:MPG.1c9410ffd­daad2c098c92a@news-4­0.giganews.com...
:> 15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of
:> events at Clemson.. grumble..
:>
:> Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?
:
:Sadly, I don't think so, at least for the Big Dance. You'll need to hope
:that NC State loses to Wake, then beat Ga Tech in the opening round, and
:start praying that Pacific doesn't get knocked off and Gonzaga/St. Mary's
:win the WCC.
:
:Two wins in the tourney, though, means you're either beating Duke or UNC,
:and that makes it all but certain you're dancing.
:
:The NIT is definitely a lock, though.
:
:> Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.
:
:It's your triple-digit RPI that's dragging you down more than anything else.
:dw

Everyone's saying the RPI is horseshit this year.. doesn't the
commmittee agree?

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Charlie Board 6 March 2005 08:58:30 [ permanent link ]
 James Schrumpf wrote:> How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Bryan S. Slick <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om>? > Shaken, or stirred?>
15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of >>events at Clemson.. grumble..>>
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>>
Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.>>
Thoughts?>>
First, the ACC isn't the best conference any more, the Big East is.

Troll.

Secondly, no way a 12-loss team from the 2nd-best conference gets in.>

Or the best conference. Unless maybe if they pull off one marquee
upset next weekend.


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Charlie Board 6 March 2005 09:01:27 [ permanent link ]
 Tony Rice wrote:
1 senior. 1 freaking senior. And a team that's gelling really well. Next > year is gunna be even more fun.

Isn't that pretty much what Georgia Tech said lasst year?


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Drew 6 March 2005 09:19:11 [ permanent link ]
 "Perusion Hostmaster" <nanae@nanae.perusi­on.com> wrote in message news:slrnd2l1ed.mpj­.nanae@bill.heins.ne­t...>
In fact, except for the SEC I think all the power conferences have> better scalps than the Big East does. The Big 10 for sure has> Wake, Gonzaga, Cincinnati, Louisville, Texas, and Alabama.

For which we give thanks to Illinois, Iowa's first weekend, and the Kohl Center.
The rest of the Big Ten's OOC scalps are teh suck.

Drew




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Kokopeli 6 March 2005 09:53:07 [ permanent link ]
 
"Jim Bush" <jimbush@hotmail.co­m> wrote in message
news:n5uk21l4f8g2et­btbpitmegta741j0dhkp­@4ax.com...>I asked Bobby Dylan, I asked the Beatles, I asked "Kokopeli"> <wnalyd@de-l33t-me.­comcast.net>, but he couldn't help me either:>
"Bryan S. Slick" <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om> wrote in message>>news:MPG.1­c9410ffddaad2c098c92­a@news-40.giganews.c­om...>>> 15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of>>> events at Clemson.. grumble..>>>
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>>
Sadly, I don't think so, at least for the Big Dance. You'll need to hope>>that NC State loses to Wake, then beat Ga Tech in the opening round, and>>start praying that Pacific doesn't get knocked off and Gonzaga/St. Mary's>>win the WCC.>>
Two wins in the tourney, though, means you're either beating Duke or UNC,>>and that makes it all but certain you're dancing.>>
The NIT is definitely a lock, though.>>
Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.>>
It's your triple-digit RPI that's dragging you down more than anything >>else.>>dw>
8-8 with a triple-digit RPI? Not a chance in hell for the NCAAs, and> the NIT is pretty iffy. (WIth three or four exceptions, the NIT field> consist of the 32 teams with the highest RPIs that didn't make the> NCAAs. Of course, if you're willing to guarantee a hefty ticket sale,> the NIT Committee is always willing to listen.)

I should note that it was triple-digit on Monday. Today's win against
Maryland may have pulled them back under 100. And they're on the bubble with
a winning record and a fifth-place finish in a major conference; I find it
hard to see the NIT leaving them out.

They need two to have a shot at the Dance, though, and four to put them in
for sure.
Colorado went 10-6 in a pretty good Big XII last year

CU went 10-6 in a mediocre Big XII last year

with a lousy RPI> and didn't make it to the NCAAs, either.

As I remember it, their RPI wasn't that lousy (high 60s?), but their real
problem was going 0-fer against the top 4 teams in the conference and then
losing to the Zorros in the conference tourney. CU slumped down the stretch
while T.Tech roared.

dw


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Perusion Hostmaster 6 March 2005 09:55:11 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-03-06, Drew <yeah@right.not> wrote:> "Perusion Hostmaster" <nanae@nanae.perusi­on.com> wrote in message news:slrnd2l1ed.mpj­.nanae@bill.heins.ne­t...>>
In fact, except for the SEC I think all the power conferences have>> better scalps than the Big East does. The Big 10 for sure has>> Wake, Gonzaga, Cincinnati, Louisville, Texas, and Alabama.>
For which we give thanks to Illinois, Iowa's first weekend, and the Kohl Center.> The rest of the Big Ten's OOC scalps are teh suck.>

Oh, I don't know. I think Michigan St. and Minny did great for the
block on the Big East riposte that their big dog BC beat UCLA and
Holy Cross...

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Joel K. 'Jay' Furr 6 March 2005 10:01:36 [ permanent link ]
 Bill Lang <wjlmutt@bitememind­spring.com> wrote in
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I think we're going somewhere (likely NIT) because of the answers I > expect to the next question. What does this do to the rest of the > ACC tourney hopes? No way NCSU gets past Wake, so they and MD are > both behind us at 7-9 in conference. Will it be just 4 ACC teams > this year?

I expect so, yes.

I was sort of expecting Tech to go to the NIT last year, especially after
beating Rutgets in the Big East tournament. But Rutgers was invited to the
NIT and Tech wasn't.

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Joel K. 'Jay' Furr 6 March 2005 10:11:50 [ permanent link ]
 Bill Lang <wjlmutt@bitememind­spring.com> wrote in
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I know I'm an ACC homer, but I can't see the NIT passing on the > chance to grab Maryland for the "sexy" factor. That bodes well for > Tech getting an NIT bid.>
2 wins in Greesboro would be better, but it ain't gonna happen.

'Specially since this year the tournament is at the MCI Center in
Washington.

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Bill Lang 6 March 2005 10:14:32 [ permanent link ]
 Nevermind the facts, Joel K. 'Jay' Furr, just give me the
details!
Bill Lang <wjlmutt@bitememind­spring.com> wrote in > news:Xns9611B6CB6E9­Bbungalobill@199.45.­49.11:>
I know I'm an ACC homer, but I can't see the NIT passing on the>> chance to grab Maryland for the "sexy" factor. That bodes well>> for Tech getting an NIT bid.>>
2 wins in Greesboro would be better, but it ain't gonna happen.>
'Specially since this year the tournament is at the MCI Center> in Washington.>

What?

I really have to start paying more attention.

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Dave Christian 6 March 2005 11:02:05 [ permanent link ]
 In article <Xns9610C2B67D171ja­schrumpfadelphiane@2­16.196.97.142>,
jaspammenotschrumpf­@adelphia.nospamnet says...> How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Bryan S. Slick <onyx_hokie@yahoo.c­om>? > Shaken, or stirred?>
15-12.. would have been nice to be 16-11.. but for a freakish turn of > > events at Clemson.. grumble..> >
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?> >
Should be, but we have no marquee valoo at all.> >
Thoughts?> >
First, the ACC isn't the best conference any more, the Big East is.

Not yet. Next year.

Secondly, no way a 12-loss team from the 2nd-best conference gets in.

Agreed. But they certainly deserve to go to the NIT.
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Jama 6 March 2005 13:35:36 [ permanent link ]
 VMI = "Void My Invitation".
Jama

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Charles Beauchamp 6 March 2005 19:16:02 [ permanent link ]
 8 - 8 in the ACC would normally be a shoe in but with a larger league
this year...and the fact that they do actually have 12 losses...nope
not in. Definitely bubble material. They better not go away in the
first round of the ACC tournament or they might not even be in the NIT.

Georgetown and West Virginia have the same Big East record and far
better overall records.

Texas A&M also is 8-8 in the Big Twelve with a far better record.

Heck Indiana is 10-6 in the Big Ten and their 15-12 probably puts them
on the bubble.

Stanford beating Washington yesterday may well mean that one of those
above will be left out unless they win their conference tourney.

Of those teams above listed Virginia Tech and Indiana have the weakest
arguments. The Hokies RPI is somewhere in the 100's which is
definitely not NCAA material.


v/r Beau

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Tomamaron 6 March 2005 19:20:27 [ permanent link ]
 Charlie Board wrote:> Tony Rice wrote:>
1 senior. 1 freaking senior. And a team that's gelling really>> well. Next year is gunna be even more fun.>
Isn't that pretty much what Georgia Tech said lasst year?

Two, Clarence Moore and Marvin Lewis. Lewis was underrated, he could shoot
well (especially 3's) and we had a lack of that this season, especially with
Elder out for a large chunk of ACC play.


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Charles Beauchamp 6 March 2005 19:28:52 [ permanent link ]
 not to mention the triple digit SOS

v/r Beau

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Charles Beauchamp 6 March 2005 19:31:19 [ permanent link ]
 Who are this everybody that you speak of? Literally everyday I hear
national pundits on ESPN radio in a terminal discussion about how many
Pac Ten teams are/are not locks for the NCAA and in each case they rave
about the RPI.

v/r Beau

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Milt Epstein 7 March 2005 08:46:20 [ permanent link ]
 yorgle7@yahoo.com writes:
Perusion Hostmaster wrote:>> On 2005-03-06, George W Harris <gharrus@mundsprung­.com> wrote:>> > James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrump­f@adelphia.nospamnet­> wrote:>> >
:First, the ACC isn't the best conference any more, the Big East is.>> >
What top thirty* teams has the Big East beaten out of>> > conference? Kansas. That's *it*.>> >
What top thirty teams has the ACC beaten out of conference?>> > Iowa, Kentucky, Connecticut, Arizona (twice), Texas, Cincinnati,>> > Michigan State, Oklahoma, Florida (twice) and Ohio State,>> >
* All ratings Pomeroy.>>
In fact, except for the SEC I think all the power conferences have>> better scalps than the Big East does. The Big 10 for sure has Wake,>> Gonzaga, Cincinnati, Louisville, Texas, and Alabama.>>
Heck, the WCC has better top wins than the Big East does.>
It's pretty laughable to argue that the Big East isn't very good.

Nice straw man switcheroo (from not the best conference to "isn't
very good").
If you watch their games, you know that they're very good this year.

Are they very good? Maybe. But I'd argue that they're not the best.
They have depth, but not enough strength at the top. Besides the
evidence above, consider that the ACC, Big 10, and Big 12 each have at
least two teams rated higher than the Big East's top team (using
Sagarin). And the other two major conferences, the Pac-10 and the
SEC, each have one team higher than the Big East's top team and a
second higher than the Big East's second.
They'll do well in the Tourny, just like they usually do, and some>people will say the same thing again next year. Have you watched>UConn play lately? Or is there no point in actually watching the>games. Just look at their record, LOL.

The main reason the Big East has done well in the tournament the last
two seasons is that they've had one team go all the way. In either
year, that was the only Big East team that got past the Sweet 16. But
that's unlikely to happen this year. The Big East may very well (and
deservedly) have the most teams in the tournament this year, but they
are unlikely to have the most teams in any round after the Sweet 16.

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Milt Epstein 7 March 2005 09:40:22 [ permanent link ]
 James Schrumpf <jaspammenotschrump­f@adelphia.nospamnet­> writes:
How do you prefer your martini, Mr. Milt Epstein <mepstein@uiuc.edu>­? >Shaken, or stirred?>
yorgle7@yahoo.com writes:
[ ... ]>>>It's pretty laughable to argue that the Big East isn't very good.>>
Nice straw man switcheroo (from not the best conference to "isn't>> very good").>>
If you watch their games, you know that they're very good this year.>>
Are they very good? Maybe. But I'd argue that they're not the best.>> They have depth, but not enough strength at the top. Besides the>> evidence above, consider that the ACC, Big 10, and Big 12 each have at>> least two teams rated higher than the Big East's top team (using>> Sagarin). And the other two major conferences, the Pac-10 and the>> SEC, each have one team higher than the Big East's top team and a>> second higher than the Big East's second.>
But the Big East has five teams ranked in the top 25, two more than>any other conference.

The polls are not always accurate, the rating systems are almost
always better. Still, five in the top 25 for the Big East is about
right. This just reflects the greater depth/more NCAA teams thing.
But they shouldn't have any in the top ten. Boston College's #5
ranking is laughable.
You can make a good argument that having that>many teams in the top rankings pretty much guarantees that none of>them are going to be at the top of the rankings, as they obviously>Beat Up On Each Other.
[ ... ]

I don't think so. If any of those teams really belonged up at the
top, it'd show. Above I mentioned how three other conferences have at
least two teams rated higher than the Big East's top team, and that's
evidence for this. They also have 4-6 teams in the top 30 or so, so
it's not as if they're so top heavy.

They'll do well in the Tourny, just like they usually do, and some>>>people will say the same thing again next year. Have you watched>>>UConn play lately? Or is there no point in actually watching the>>>games. Just look at their record, LOL.>>
The main reason the Big East has done well in the tournament the last>> two seasons is that they've had one team go all the way. In either>> year, that was the only Big East team that got past the Sweet 16. But>> that's unlikely to happen this year. The Big East may very well (and>> deservedly) have the most teams in the tournament this year, but they>> are unlikely to have the most teams in any round after the Sweet 16.>
Are we talking about having the best conference, or the conference>having the best team? The two are not necessarily inclusive.

Of course not. And no one's saying it is. I don't know what the
previous posters (including you) meant by "best". (Plus I think these
"best conference" arguments are a little silly, because it's hard to
define what "best" means.) But in my mind, "best" has to include both
depth and strength at the top.

As I've already argued, the Big East does not have strength at the top
like some other conferences do. And their depth, while perhaps more
than any other conference, is not significantly so. For example, the
Big East has nine teams in the top 75 (using Sagarin again). But the
other three top conferences have 7-9 teams in that range.

Who's got the best balance of depth/strength? I don't know, it
depends on how you draw the lines.

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Michael Baldwin Bruce 8 March 2005 10:14:54 [ permanent link ]
 Bruce AKA tholen@antispam.ham­ wrote:> Bryan S. Slick writes:>
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?>
Texas A&M's non-conference schedule just isn't quite strong enough to> get them in.

Famous last words, Bruce.

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Guest 8 March 2005 17:22:58 [ permanent link ]
 
Michael Baldwin Bruce wrote:> Bruce AKA tholen@antispam.ham­ wrote:> > Bryan S. Slick writes:> >
Anyway.. 8-8 in-conference in the best conference.. are we in?> >
Texas A&M's non-conference schedule just isn't quite strong enough
get them in.>
Famous last words, Bruce.

With VT you can't just look at the 8-8 conference record. That alone
puts them on the bubble....then you go to their ooc performance and
that takes them off the bubble. At this point I wouldn't say VT is a
bubble team.....they are clearly below a small group of bubble teams.
They need to win the acc tournament to get in.

As for the nit.....I suspect most teams would rather travel to the ncaa
tournament and be one and done than even win the nit. I don't even
remember who won last year...does anyone remember who won 2-3 years ago
without looking it up?

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Guest 9 March 2005 06:18:37 [ permanent link ]
 I didn't state that the Big East was significantly better than the
other power conferences, or that they are better than the ACC. In fact,
I think the ACC is the best conference, although I do think the Big
East is better this year. The only thing I was responding to was the
comment that the BE is worse than the other power conferences. In
addition, if you really want to evaluate the success of a conference,
looking at the number of final four appearances between 90-02 (talk
about arbitrary) really isn't the best way to go about it. Hell, look
at the overall record. Maybe weight it by the seeding. The only thing I
said was that the Big East has performed good. There are certainly
better power conferences to go at, if that's what you want to do. The
PAC10 has been pitiful, and the Big 10 had a bad stretch in the 90s.

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Guest 9 March 2005 06:29:27 [ permanent link ]
 Lucky for us, they've got a tournament. While I agree with you that BC
isn't the 5th best team in the country, Kansas is waaaay overated.
UConn is definitely playing better than them.

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Milt Epstein 9 March 2005 07:47:54 [ permanent link ]
 yorgle7@yahoo.com writes:
Non conference games tend to be scheduled at the beginning of the>season. So what happens when a team improves a lot during the year?>You right it off as winning games against teams in an over-rated>conferen­ce. Take UConn as an example. Have you seen any of their>games lately? Their backcourt was their big weakness, and it's>improved a lot. They're playing about as well as anyone right now,>and their leading scorer is out. They may have a decent shot at the>championship. I never thought that would be the case this year, but>they've got a very good team. If you want a good example of an>overated team, look at Kansas. They keep on losing, but still appear>in the top 10. The big conferences don't play enough out of>conference games to make good comparisons. And like I states above,>the games tend to be early in the year.

You know, you really should include some of the post you're responding
to, so people will know what or whom you're responding to.

As to UConn, I actually agree with you. They do seem to be playing
better of late, and it could be that they're gelling. Pomeroy
includes a "Last 5 Games" in his rating, and in fact he has UConn #1
over that period:

http://www.kenpom.c­om/rate.php

And elsewhere I said that I thought UConn and Villanova were the two
best Big East teams.

In my earlier comments, I was considering more how the Big East teams
had done over the entire year.

Kansas has been funny this year. They have great personnel, but
they've never seem to have gotten it all together. They struggled
early, then they seemed to be getting it together, and then things
came apart. Injuries have also been a problem for them, losing
perhaps their two best players at times.

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Perusion Hostmaster 9 March 2005 08:33:27 [ permanent link ]
 On 2005-03-09, yorgle7@yahoo.com <yorgle7@yahoo.com>­ wrote:> I didn't state that the Big East was significantly better than the> other power conferences, or that they are better than the ACC. In fact,> I think the ACC is the best conference, although I do think the Big> East is better this year. The only thing I was responding to was the> comment that the BE is worse than the other power conferences.

I don't think even I said that. I may have said they are weaker at the
top, though at this point I would say only the ACC and Big 10 are
stronger -- the Big 12 beating itself up as it has.
In addition, if you really want to evaluate the success of a> conference, looking at the number of final four appearances between> 90-02 (talk about arbitrary) really isn't the best way to go about it.

I was picking a long drought period to refute your contention that
"the Big East usually does well in the tournament". Very recently they
were not doing all that well in the tournament. A lot of one-win-per-
team years with no teams in the Elite 8.
Hell, look at the overall record. Maybe weight it by the seeding. The> only thing I said was that the Big East has performed good. There are> certainly better power conferences to go at, if that's what you want> to do. The PAC10 has been pitiful, and the Big 10 had a bad stretch in> the 90s.>

All of them have bad stretches. As recently as three years ago, the
ACC only had three teams in, though they have been most consistent.
The Big 12 has had a lot of final 4 teams with no winners. The Big
10 had a couple of sub-500 years with nowhere near their expected
wins. The Pac-10 was often a complete non-entity. There are chinks
in all their armor.

Bottom line is that the ACC, at least in this Big 10-biased opinion, is
by a length the best of the power conferences due to their strength
at the top and in the middle.

The Pac 10 in 6th place by a length because they don't have the middle
strength the others do or compensating top strength.

The SEC leads the Pac 10 by just a nose -- this year they don't have enough
real top teams to bring up their weak middle.

The Big East, Big 12, and Big 10 are running neck and neck for second.
At least looking at Sagarin, RPI, Pomeroy, and their records against
the top teams in those rankings so it seems to me.

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Milt Epstein 10 March 2005 06:19:36 [ permanent link ]
 "Drew" <yeah@right.not> writes:
"Milt Epstein" <mepstein@uiuc.edu>­ wrote in message news:d0lrla$a9i$1@n­ews.ks.uiuc.edu...
[ ... ]>> As to UConn, I actually agree with you. They do seem to be playing>> better of late, and it could be that they're gelling. Pomeroy>> includes a "Last 5 Games" in his rating, and in fact he has UConn #1>> over that period:>
That win over Syracuse really opened my eyes to UConn. I'd been>guilty of writing them off based on the only other game of theirs I'd>bothered to watch - the "slugfest" with Indiana early in the season.>Now, I see that the defending champs actually look like they want>to defend their championship. It (the game) also makes me wonder>what has happened to previously 20-1 Syracuse?

Hostess stopped delivering.


[ ... ]>> Kansas has been funny this year. They have great personnel, but>> they've never seem to have gotten it all together. They struggled>> early, then they seemed to be getting it together, and then things>> came apart. Injuries have also been a problem for them, losing>> perhaps their two best players at times.>
Stop apologizing for your former coach! ;-)­

I am neither a Self apologist nor a Self hater.

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Edward M. Kennedy 10 March 2005 07:52:32 [ permanent link ]
 "Milt Epstein" <mepstein@uiuc.edu>­ wrote
As to UConn, I actually agree with you. They do seem to be playing> >> better of late, and it could be that they're gelling. Pomeroy> >> includes a "Last 5 Games" in his rating, and in fact he has UConn #1> >> over that period:> >
That win over Syracuse really opened my eyes to UConn. I'd been> >guilty of writing them off based on the only other game of theirs I'd> >bothered to watch - the "slugfest" with Indiana early in the season.> >Now, I see that the defending champs actually look like they want> >to defend their championship. It (the game) also makes me wonder> >what has happened to previously 20-1 Syracuse?>
Hostess stopped delivering.

Put it in your pantry with your cupcakes.
I am neither a Self apologist nor a Self hater.

How's your confidence and Self worth doing?

--Tedward


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пройди тесты:
see also:
Sri Lanka Vs West Indies
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