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GYXU > Basketball > Chronicles of JJ Reddick 25 March 2005 18:40:59
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Chronicles of JJ Reddick

Umo 25 March 2005 18:40:59
 Reddick has removed all doubts about his greatness as a college
player...but is he good enough to succeed at the NBA level? The jury is
still out on Reddick as a pro talent. It remains to be seen if he is
the next Chris Mullin or the next bust like Steve Alford or Damon
Bailey.

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Erik T. Nomad 4 March 2005 04:17:44 [ permanent link ]
 
"umo" <shoreke@yahoo.com>­ wrote in message
news:1109895167.499­633.25260@f14g2000cw­b.googlegroups.com..­.> Reddick has removed all doubts about his greatness as a college> player...but is he good enough to succeed at the NBA level? The jury is> still out on Reddick as a pro talent. It remains to be seen if he is> the next Chris Mullin or the next bust like Steve Alford or Damon> Bailey.

He's begun to defend better, that's certain, and he's gotten *slightly*
better at creating his own shot. If he continues on his current pace, he'll
be a late first-round pick next year and should enjoy a "decent" 10/12 year
pro career. Calling any player a bust is more based on expectations; I
don't think there are any realistic expectations that he's going to be an
NBA star, so he's got nowhere to go but up as far as I can see.

E


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Milt Epstein 4 March 2005 04:32:14 [ permanent link ]
 "umo" <shoreke@yahoo.com>­ writes:
Reddick has removed all doubts about his greatness as a college>player...bu­t is he good enough to succeed at the NBA level? The jury>is still out on Reddick as a pro talent. It remains to be seen if he>is the next Chris Mullin or the next bust like Steve Alford or Damon>Bailey.

Now if only his team could win a game.

--
Milt Epstein
mepstein@uiuc.edu
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Johnny 4 March 2005 05:16:16 [ permanent link ]
 umo wrote:
Reddick has removed all doubts about his greatness as a college> player...but is he good enough to succeed at the NBA level? The jury is> still out on Reddick as a pro talent. It remains to be seen if he is> the next Chris Mullin or the next bust like Steve Alford or Damon> Bailey.>

I almost hate to say this for fear of starting something,
but a commentator recently compared JJ to John Havlicek.
That is high praise, indeed, but I can see some similarities.

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Wm . B . Yeats 4 March 2005 05:21:45 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:16:16 -0800, Johnny <apterix@cox.net> wrote:
umo wrote:>
Reddick has removed all doubts about his greatness as a college>> player...but is he good enough to succeed at the NBA level? The jury is>> still out on Reddick as a pro talent. It remains to be seen if he is>> the next Chris Mullin or the next bust like Steve Alford or Damon>> Bailey.>>
I almost hate to say this for fear of starting something, >but a commentator recently compared JJ to John Havlicek. >That is high praise, indeed, but I can see some similarities.

Barkley compared him to Steve Kerr which might be more apt than Hondo.
If JJ continues to get stronger and if someone can teach him better
footwork, he'll become a good spot player.

WB Yeats
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Kubez 4 March 2005 05:45:38 [ permanent link ]
 "umo" <shoreke@yahoo.com>­ wrote in
news:1109895167.499­633.25260@f14g2000cw­b.googlegroups.com:
Reddick has removed all doubts about his greatness as a college> player...but is he good enough to succeed at the NBA level? The jury is> still out on Reddick as a pro talent. It remains to be seen if he is> the next Chris Mullin or the next bust like Steve Alford or Damon> Bailey.

The name on the front of his jersey should give you all the clue you need.
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Diamondback 4 March 2005 17:49:00 [ permanent link ]
 Havlicek? Really? Wow, somebody's smoking sumthin.

He's Steve Kerr, or maybe he's Tim Legler, but certainly not Havlicek.
He's a small 6-4 to be an NBA two-guard and his defense, even at the
college level, is suspect. He'll get smoked nightly by the Kobes,
McGradys and Iversons of the NBA. Iverson is among the shortest NBA
two-guards at 6-0, but most are between 6-6 and 6-8, and I just don't
see him matching up well against them. He'll have to play point.

Now, if he plays for a team that ignores defense like Phoenix or
Washington, then he might fit in as a role player who can drain the
trey (a la Kerr or Legler). His best hope is to have K play him at
point next year so he can polish those ball handling skills and at
least have that on his resume for draft day.

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Edward M. Kennedy 4 March 2005 19:49:08 [ permanent link ]
 "Diamondback" <richard.forgo@cabl­espeed.com> wrote
Havlicek? Really? Wow, somebody's smoking sumthin.

And drinking, snorting, injecting, and probably a suppository as well.
If Redick = Havlicek, then I am a table.

--Tedward


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Edward M. Kennedy 4 March 2005 20:15:27 [ permanent link ]
 "Wm. B. Yeats" <WBYeats@Ireland.co­m> wrote
I almost hate to say this for fear of starting something,> >but a commentator recently compared JJ to John Havlicek.> >That is high praise, indeed, but I can see some similarities.>
Barkley compared him to Steve Kerr which might be more apt than Hondo.> If JJ continues to get stronger and if someone can teach him better> footwork, he'll become a good spot player.

Rather handy when you're down two on the road.
He's got the range. He works his butt of on
defense because that will determine whether or
not he gets rich in a hurry.

--Tedward


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Guest 4 March 2005 21:13:53 [ permanent link ]
 
umo wrote:> Reddick has removed all doubts about his greatness as a college> player...but is he good enough to succeed at the NBA level? The jury
still out on Reddick as a pro talent. It remains to be seen if he is> the next Chris Mullin or the next bust like Steve Alford or Damon> Bailey.

I just remember Rex Walters of KU playing for a while. JJ is a much
better player than Rex. He'll be fine.

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Johnny 4 March 2005 21:18:29 [ permanent link ]
 Diamondback wrote:> Havlicek? Really? Wow, somebody's smoking sumthin.>

Yes. I can't remember who the announcer was who made the
comparison, but it struck me because he wasn't one of those
in love with Duke, like Mike Patrick or Dickie Dukie. IIRC
his point was Redick's complete game now, constantly running
defenders through picks, and seeming tirelessness. JJ is a
better shooter now than Hondo ever was, IMHO; at the very
least he has better range.

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Johnny 4 March 2005 21:30:06 [ permanent link ]
 Edward M. Kennedy wrote:
"Diamondback" <richard.forgo@cabl­espeed.com> wrote>
Havlicek? Really? Wow, somebody's smoking sumthin.>
And drinking, snorting, injecting, and probably a suppository as well.> If Redick = Havlicek, then I am a table.>
--Tedward>

Hondo was one of a kind. I was intrigued by the comment
because the announcer wasn't a fawning Duke lover, and Hondo
was one of my favorite players. I can see parts of JJ's
game that remind me a bit of Hondo, but he has a loooooooong
way to go to get even a toehold on that level.

If you were a table, what kind of table would you be? :-)­

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Umo 5 March 2005 01:04:16 [ permanent link ]
 JJ would be lucky to become as good as Freddy Effin Hoiberg.

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Umo 5 March 2005 03:34:10 [ permanent link ]
 Reddick is most likely the next Rex Chapman.

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Kubez 5 March 2005 09:22:46 [ permanent link ]
 Harry Everhart <harry@everhart.com­> wrote in news:harry-
214B8E.193255040320­05@comcast.dca.gigan­ews.com:
JJ Redick is a little > white boy playing in a game dominated by big black fast men.

Damning with faint praise. Is there ONE white US player among the top 50
in the NBA right now? After Brad Miller and Kirk Hinrich, how many white
US NBA starters can you even name?
He is > leading the toughest league in the nation in scoring and foul shooting.

He is NOT leading the ACC in foul shooting, nor in 3-point shooting.

There is little evidence that Redick will be anything other than the next
(take your pick) Langdan, Forte, Collins, Wojo, Bryce Drew or Donald
Williams, rather than the next Steve Kerr, Mark Price, Dell Curry or even
Hubert Davis.
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Jama 5 March 2005 11:45:23 [ permanent link ]
 Harry,
I know you're an old fart but cut the racist crap. I'm sick of
people bringing up Reddick and "white". He's a basketball player.
Personally, I am "white" and there's no way I want to 'be' like a
whining cry-baby like Reddick. I'd rather be Emeka Okafor or Michael
Jordan. Your association of Reddick and white really bothers me and
has racist undertones that make you seem like an a-hole. Please stop.

Jama

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Jama 5 March 2005 11:52:40 [ permanent link ]
 
Again with the racist BS. Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki can go 1-2 in
NBA MVP this year.
Here are the facts pertinent to this thread, in random order:

1. Reddick is a whining cry-baby
2. He's a cocky SOB
3. He plays with emotion
4. His Dad is a whining cry-baby
5. He (Reddick) goes on national TV and talks about his poetry (vomit)
6. He's a very good basketball player and an incredible shooter, and
improving
7. He claims fans make comments that the fans deny (Maryland sister
thing)
8. He plays for Duke (thus magnet for criticism)
9. He's a college kid (cut him some slack)

You decide what the above means. The fact that he is white means
zilch. Shut up about it.

Jama

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Jama 5 March 2005 11:54:00 [ permanent link ]
 Jay Bilas comparted him to Hornacek
Jama

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Johnny 5 March 2005 12:02:40 [ permanent link ]
 Jama wrote:
Jay Bilas compared him to Hornacek> Jama>

That's pretty high praise in my book. Watching Jeff, John,
and The Mailman work in their prime was a pleasure.


http://www.basketba­llreference.com/play­ers/playerpage.htm?i­lkid=HORNAJE01


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Donnie Barnes 5 March 2005 17:32:57 [ permanent link ]
 On Sat, 05 Mar, Harry Everhart wrote:> this year - and many folks are picking on him because "he" is white.

No, they're picking on him because "he" is a jerk. He happens to get a lot
of attention because he's *good* and if you add jerk on top of that, you
get a lot of picking on him.

It's the same reason people pick on Rashad McCants. Okay, so I don't know
either of them personally so I can't say if either *is* a jerk. But both
do act like jerks at times. One white, one black. One Duke, one UNC.
Neither of those last couple facts means a damned thing, though.

I'm white. Do I want to "be like" JJ? Heck no. Would I like to shoot
like him? Sure. Would I like to be able to post people up like McCants?
Oh yeah. Would I like to be able to rebound like Sean May? Oh yeah.
Would I like to have Shelden Williams' body? Don't get me started. Would
I like to have Raymond Felton's speed? Isma'il Muhammed's hops? Roy
Williams basketball brain? John Stockton's ability to find the open man?
Larry Bird's ability to find the basket under any circumstances?

My point is that none of that has anything to do with race. You can try
harder and maybe you can see past it, too. But right now you are
generalizing that every white person that hates JJ is jealous of him
because he has those skills *and* is white. To me that's a racist
assumption that simply can't be proven and certainly isn't true in my case.


--Donnie

--
Donnie Barnes http://www.donnieba­rnes.com 879. V.
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Harry Everhart 5 March 2005 17:35:50 [ permanent link ]
 "Jama" <mrjama@aol.com> wrote:> You decide what the above means. The fact that he is white means> zilch. Shut up about it. > Jama
"Me thinks you protests too much"
You hate Redick because you would love to be like him but he is not on
your team. The kid is great for college basketball. Yes - maybe he won't
be great in the Pros - who cares - I seldom watch the Pro game anyway.
But Redick is great now - the best in the country - and he is on my team
- and I love it.
Harry
PS - Notice that I usually post in the early daylight hours - I can't
stay up late like you young bucks - but I am up at 5 AM ready to go
again :-)­
Love
Harry
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Harry Everhart 5 March 2005 17:42:47 [ permanent link ]
 "Jama" <mrjama@aol.com> wrote:> 1. Reddick is a whining cry-baby
McCants put him to shame with his crying antics.> 2. He's a cocky SOB
and backs it all up - like Iverson.> 3. He plays with emotion
Something wrong here - yeah Carolina does not have him or any of that
emotion in their team - or arena.> 4. His Dad is a whining cry-baby
I wonder how you would be if you were so proud of your sons - ask me
about my boys - and I will go on forever.> 5. He (Reddick) goes on national TV and talks about his poetry (vomit)
Poetry? - you sound a little to afraid of your feminine side. I don;t
like it much either but I admire those that do - Bob Dylan - John Lennon
- Robert Johnson - and even Carole King are geniuses. (just saw her
concert with the wife - had to throw that in :-)­> 6. He's a very good basketball player and an incredible shooter, and> improving
given> 7. He claims fans make comments that the fans deny (Maryland sister> thing)
UMD fans were always the epitome of truth and justice.> 8. He plays for Duke (thus magnet for criticism)
Here is the MAIN REASON you dislike him and wish you were him at the
dame time.> 9. He's a college kid (cut him some slack)
Agree - see - you and I "agrees" on some things.> Jama
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Johnny 5 March 2005 18:19:58 [ permanent link ]
 Harry Everhart wrote:
"Jama" <mrjama@aol.com> wrote:>
You decide what the above means. The fact that he is white means>>zilch. Shut up about it. >>Jama>
"Me thinks you protests too much"> You hate Redick because you would love to be like him but he is not on > your team. The kid is great for college basketball. Yes - maybe he won't > be great in the Pros - who cares - I seldom watch the Pro game anyway. > But Redick is great now - the best in the country - and he is on my team > - and I love it.> Harry> PS - Notice that I usually post in the early daylight hours - I can't > stay up late like you young bucks - but I am up at 5 AM ready to go > again :-)­> Love> Harry

Everybody hates JJ because he is so popular.

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Kubez 5 March 2005 18:23:36 [ permanent link ]
 Harry Everhart <harry@everhart.com­> wrote in
news:harry-82B30A.0­8310905032005@comcas­t.dca.giganews.com:
Kubez <president@whitehou­se.gov> wrote:>> Damning with faint praise. Is there ONE white US player among the>> top 50 in the NBA right now? After Brad Miller and Kirk Hinrich, how>> many white US NBA starters can you even name?>
Dear Kubez -> Now who is the racist here? Or are you just pointing out the> obvious?

If you're too dim to realize it's the latter that's your problem.
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Kubez 5 March 2005 18:23:54 [ permanent link ]
 "Jama" <mrjama@aol.com> wrote in
news:1110009160.242­295.70320@g14g2000cw­a.googlegroups.com:
Again with the racist BS. Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki can go 1-2 in> NBA MVP this year.

Which of the two is American?
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Harry Everhart 5 March 2005 18:25:48 [ permanent link ]
 Donnie Barnes <djbSPAMSUCKS@donni­ebarnes.com> wrote:> My point is that none of that has anything to do with race. You can try> harder and maybe you can see past it, too. But right now you are> generalizing that every white person that hates JJ is jealous of him> because he has those skills *and* is white. To me that's a racist> assumption that simply can't be proven and certainly isn't true in my case.> --Donnie
Dear Donnie -
Point well taken. You explained yourself very well. I agree with 95% of
your post. Would you agree that if Redick were on your team - you would
be very happy? You would have an orgasmic rush every time he peels off a
screen and sinks a three with even moving the net. You would also be
defending him against the unfair abuse that he has taken. Heck some jerk
on here ripped him for liking poetry and talking about it on TV. You
defend mediocrity on your team like Roy Williams and McCants. Do you
really think they are that good? Roy Williams may be "coach of the year"
NEXT YEAR when he takes a Carolina team to the championship after four
of his players bolt to the NBA. Yes - you defend them because "they" are
"yours" - just as "Redick" is "mine." I have two really great sons - but
I would be proud to have Redick as a third.
Harry
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Harry Everhart 5 March 2005 18:32:13 [ permanent link ]
 Johnny <apterix@cox.net> wrote:> Harry, in the U.S., given it's despicable history of race > relations, the line between an observation that is "racial" > but unprejudiced and one that is prejudicially "racist" is > thin, vague, and sensitive. When you tread in that area, > you must be prepared for criticism from those who draw the > line differently than you do.
Good point Johnny.
"I have always been one to walk where others fears to tread."
Thanks for the compliment. :-)­
Harry
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Al Z. Heimers 5 March 2005 18:58:59 [ permanent link ]
 
"Harry Everhart" <harry@everhart.com­> wrote in message
news:harry-82B30A.0­8310905032005@comcas­t.dca.giganews.com..­.
Redick is Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer.
he had a big red nose.
I admire Redick
I admired Pete Rose
I "hated" Rose
I "loved" Rose
I still admire Rose
There are many black athletes that I love
Mohammed Ali is wonderful
Arthur Ashe was spectacular
he excelled in a "white" sport.
I have 6000 students of all races
I have been called a lot of names
I am sorry
I am sorry


I had a pithy comment to append here, but I'll be damned if I can remember
what it is. So instead, a bit of fun:



An old man visited his doctor for a series of tests. When the results were
in, the doctor asked him to come to his office to discuss the results.

"I've got some bad news," the doctor said when the old man arrived. "I'm
sorry to tell you this, but you have Alzheimer's and cancer."

The man sat stunned for a moment, then replied, "Well, thank goodness I
don't have cancer".



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Geoffrey F. Green 5 March 2005 19:03:07 [ permanent link ]
 In article <slrnd2jd5l.2hb.djb­SPAMSUCKS@localhost.­localdomain>,
Donnie Barnes <djbSPAMSUCKS@donni­ebarnes.com> wrote:
I'm white. Do I want to "be like" JJ? Heck no. Would I like to shoot> like him? Sure. Would I like to be able to post people up like McCants?> Oh yeah. Would I like to be able to rebound like Sean May? Oh yeah.> Would I like to have Shelden Williams' body? Don't get me started. Would> I like to have Raymond Felton's speed? Isma'il Muhammed's hops? Roy> Williams basketball brain? John Stockton's ability to find the open man?> Larry Bird's ability to find the basket under any circumstances?

Which of these attributes are you lacking?

- geoff
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»Q« 5 March 2005 20:15:31 [ permanent link ]
 Harry Everhart <harry@everhart.com­> wrote in
<news:harry-E95BC3.­09254805032005@comca­st.dca.giganews.com>­:
Heck some jerk on here ripped him for liking poetry and talking> about it on TV.

Read for comprehension. It was not "ripping". It was part of a list
of alternatives to consider to your one-note assessment of why he's
disliked. It's your bloodyminded conviction that all motivations must
boil down to jealousy that's causing you such trouble.
You defend mediocrity on your team like Roy Williams and McCants.

Oh, you just call them mediocre because you want to be them, silly.

--
»Q«
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John A Witzke 5 March 2005 20:25:15 [ permanent link ]
 1. big tall tree
2. short piece of rope

go find them harry...i'm speechless...you were spawned in hell

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Drew 5 March 2005 20:56:26 [ permanent link ]
 "Johnny" <apterix@cox.net> wrote in message news:yW0Wd.43996$xt­.18243@fed1read07...­> Edward M. Kennedy wrote:>
If Redick = Havlicek, then I am a table.>
If you were a table, what kind of table would you be? :-)­

A periodic table?








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Harry Everhart 5 March 2005 21:14:26 [ permanent link ]
 
That's it. Time's up, pencil's down.
Boy - if you think JJ writes bad poetry!
Really - that was very funny. I am complimenting you on the time you
spent on your lesson plan to put it in a form I would understand. I
always loved multi-choice questions - I could correct the test with a
scanning computer and not read the long boring essay answers :-)­
I am truly flattered that you would spend that amount of time one me.
Harry
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Drew 5 March 2005 21:16:52 [ permanent link ]
 Harry,

I can't tell if you're trolling here. If you are, you have some high test line
and tasty bait, based on the string of fish you're towing behind you.

On the off chance you're serious, what makes you say most college
basketball fans are white wannabees? Are you basing this on where
you live? Even if that is true, what makes you think people dislike
JJ because they're jealous? Personally, I'm just tired of hearing his
name all the time. But that's mostly a problem I have with college
basketball announcers, who seem to run out of material when
covering non-top-ten games, and fall back on the old standby of
bringing up Duke/Redick regardless of who they're supposed to
be talking about.

I think if Redick played for a team like Marquette (a la Travis Diener)
or Utah (a la Andrew Bogut), he'd not see nearly the same animosity.
Probably because he'd not be shoved down our collective throats
by the media as a top player for a team in a big six conference. But,
we'll never know that.

Regards,
Drew





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Harry Everhart 5 March 2005 21:17:16 [ permanent link ]
 In article <MrQ9610685BCA0AFit­smeitsQ@QsFQDN.dyndn­s.org>,
»Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> wrote:> > You defend mediocrity on your team like Roy Williams and McCants. > Oh, you just call them mediocre because you want to be them, silly.

Correct - I would love to have many of the traits of both gentlemen. I
would also like their youth - you can't buy more years :-)­
By the way - I consider myself a very bland mediocre fellow - just like
Roy. I also have head problems like Ray.
Harry
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Harry Everhart 5 March 2005 21:53:05 [ permanent link ]
 "Drew" <yeah@right.not> wrote:> On the off chance you're serious, what makes you say most college> basketball fans are white wannabees? Are you basing this on where> you live? Even if that is true, what makes you think people dislike> JJ because they're jealous? Personally, I'm just tired of hearing his> name all the time. But that's mostly a problem I have with college> basketball announcers, who seem to run out of material when> covering non-top-ten games, and fall back on the old standby of> bringing up Duke/Redick regardless of who they're supposed to> be talking about. > I think if Redick played for a team like Marquette (a la Travis Diener)> or Utah (a la Andrew Bogut), he'd not see nearly the same animosity.> Probably because he'd not be shoved down our collective throats> by the media as a top player for a team in a big six conference. But,> we'll never know that.> Regards,> Drew
Ding - Ding - Ding! We have a winner. As much as I love Duke (because my
son got a great degree there that cost me virtually nothing) the school
- I also like the basketball team - "What's not to love?" But you are
right - they get way too much publicity - and Vitale and others go on
and on to even make me puke sometimes. ESPN/ABC made the Duke media
machine because they needed a face to put on their product. Just like
NASA needed "Buck Rogers" to get the "bucks" from Congress - ESPN/ABC
created Duke. If Duke weren't there they would have made another team
the "duke." Back in the 70s and 80s - ABC created the Dallas Cowboys -
"American's Team."
JJ Redick would be just as good at another school - but without all the
support of Duke and publicity of Vitale - he would not be considered
"player of the year."
My son - that went to Duke - does not like JJ - hates Wojo and Collins
- but absolutely loves the Duke team and gets to about 10 games a year
at great expense. My son would love to play like all of them. So would I.
www.harry.everhart.­com

It was really fun guys.
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Diamondback 5 March 2005 22:06:19 [ permanent link ]
 OK, maybe Johnny misheard him. Hornacek is not Havilcek, and Redick is
not either.

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Donnie Barnes 6 March 2005 01:36:13 [ permanent link ]
 On Sat, 05 Mar, Harry Everhart wrote:>> 2. He's a cocky SOB> and backs it all up - like Iverson.

Hey, and he takes complete games off, just like Iverson!

Here's hoping he takes this Sunday off. :)­


--Donnie

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Harry Everhart 6 March 2005 03:04:49 [ permanent link ]
 In article <slrnd2k96m.2hb.djb­SPAMSUCKS@localhost.­localdomain>,
Donnie Barnes <djbSPAMSUCKS@donni­ebarnes.com> wrote:> As for having JJ as a son, well, all I can say is you don't know him> anywhere near well enough to make that claim. At the very least we know he> hangs around with pot smokers while they smoke it, now don't we?> --Donnie

He seems like a nice kid. He certainly has a great work ethic -
something I truly admire. As for hanging around people who smoke pot - I
have hung around people that have smoked pot - heck Bush - Clinton -
Kerry - all admitted they smoked pot. I do not hold ot against people
judging who they hang around with. I hang around with you on this
newsgroup - and I really enjoy it - to help what my Mom says - wait a
minute she is dead for 10 years. :-)­

You make some good points - but you have blinders on about JJ - just
like me :-)­
Harry
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Edward M. Kennedy 6 March 2005 03:31:57 [ permanent link ]
 "Drew" <yeah@right.not> wrote
If Redick = Havlicek, then I am a table.> >
If you were a table, what kind of table would you be? :-)­>
A periodic table?

Probably a card table. Who knows...

I once slipped off my barstool. I got up, collected myself,
and announced to all as I righted my seat, "No more gin for
this stool."

A similar thing happened in middle school. People always
applauded if somebody dropped their tray in order to embarass
them or something. The one time I did it, I got up on the
table and took a bow. After that, I had a nice chat with
the principle. He was a nice enough guy, but it took me
a while to convince him it was an accident.

--Tedward


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Edward M. Kennedy 6 March 2005 03:35:58 [ permanent link ]
 Whatever. Can we get back to our regularly scheduled discussion
about whether or not Duke fans deserve to whine about this year's
injuries and the butt kicking we are going to get in T-minus 21:40?

TIA,

--Tedward



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Edward M. Kennedy 6 March 2005 03:39:29 [ permanent link ]
 "Donnie Barnes" <djbSPAMSUCKS@donni­ebarnes.com> wrote
Would I like to have Shelden Williams' body? Don't get me started.

I'm trying my darnedest not to, believe me. Does your wife know about this?
(Not that there is anything wrong with that.)

--Tedward

Please to be tossing more meatballs


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Diamondback 6 March 2005 03:46:51 [ permanent link ]
 I believe that you can always whine about injuries, the bigger question
is who will care (apart from the Blue Devil faithful). As for the butt
kicking, I'm not so sure.

But on the upside, you won't have to worry about running into MD in the
NCAAs.

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Donnie Barnes 6 March 2005 04:10:12 [ permanent link ]
 On Sat, 05 Mar, Harry Everhart wrote:> In article <slrnd2k96m.2hb.djb­SPAMSUCKS@localhost.­localdomain>,> Donnie Barnes <djbSPAMSUCKS@donni­ebarnes.com> wrote:>> As for having JJ as a son, well, all I can say is you don't know him>> anywhere near well enough to make that claim. At the very least we know he>> hangs around with pot smokers while they smoke it, now don't we?>
He seems like a nice kid.

Based on what? Canned answers in postgame interviews?
He certainly has a great work ethic - > something I truly admire.

This I would agree with. I didn't say he didn't have any admirable
qualities.
As for hanging around people who smoke pot - I > have hung around people that have smoked pot - heck Bush - Clinton - > Kerry - all admitted they smoked pot.

Get back to me with someone I *like* to put on the list.
I do not hold ot against people judging who they hang around with.

It's just as valid a way to judge folks as any other measure you seem to
have for the kid since you don't *know* him.
I hang around with you on this newsgroup - and I really enjoy it -

This doesn't *even* count as "hanging around with." Not even close.
to help what my Mom says - wait a minute she is dead for 10 years. :-)­

Got no idea what this means.
You make some good points - but you have blinders on about JJ - just > like me :-)­

Actually, I don't. All I've said is I can't stand his arrogance. I also
think his arrogance is justification for *much* of the picking-on he gets
from opposing fans. I also think you have *little* right to go to great
lengths to defend him. My own opinion, though.


--Donnie

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Johnny 6 March 2005 05:38:49 [ permanent link ]
 Diamondback wrote:> OK, maybe Johnny misheard him. Hornacek is not Havilcek, and Redick is> not either.>

I didn't hear Bilas compare JJ to Hornacek. I heard an
in-game play by play man whom I can't recall briefly mention
a Havlicek comparison based on style, not level, of play.
Clearly he is neither yet and may never be close to either.
I simply found the comparison mildly interesting because
of the style, certainly not the level, comparison regarding
JJ's constant motion and seeming tirelessness, both of which
were Havlicek strong points.

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Umo 6 March 2005 07:46:04 [ permanent link ]
 JJ is a high quality person. He is hard working, charismatic and
likable. His personal charm can probably get every coed on the Duke
campus to drop panties. He has all the great attributes needed to run
for the US Senate...but it dont mean jackshit in the NBA. If Reddick
cant create his own shot without a screen when the 24 second is
expiring, and if he doesnt have the quickness to put a guard or small
forward on defensive lockdown....he will simply be remembered as
another ex-Dookie relegated to the scrapheap of overated NBA hopefuls.

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Kubez 6 March 2005 07:53:31 [ permanent link ]
 "umo" <shoreke@yahoo.com>­ wrote in
news:1110080764.831­532.16030@g14g2000cw­a.googlegroups.com:
His personal charm can probably get every coed on the Duke> campus to drop panties.

Anyone who has seen Duke coeds knows that this is NOTHING to brag about.
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Charlie Board 6 March 2005 08:48:16 [ permanent link ]
 Kubez wrote:> "Jama" <mrjama@aol.com> wrote in > news:1110009160.242­295.70320@g14g2000cw­a.googlegroups.com:>­
Again with the racist BS. Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki can go 1-2 in>>NBA MVP this year.>
Which of the two is American?

What does being American have to do with the issue
being discussed? Harry said "white boy in a game
dominated by big black man". The word American
appears nowhere in his post.

PS to Jama - No way in hell Nowitzki finishes top 2.
More like 5th or so. But he still serves to make
your point.

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Charlie Board 6 March 2005 08:50:50 [ permanent link ]
 Diamondback wrote:> OK, maybe Johnny misheard him. Hornacek is not Havilcek, and Redick is> not either.


No, but he is a helluva closer to being a Hornacek than a Havlicek.
I vote for misheard.


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Kubez 6 March 2005 09:06:03 [ permanent link ]
 Charlie Board <charlieDIESPAMMERS­board@nc.rr.com> wrote in
news:422A8B8D.50509­02@nc.rr.com:
Kubez wrote:>> "Jama" <mrjama@aol.com> wrote in >> news:1110009160.242­295.70320@g14g2000cw­a.googlegroups.com:>­>
Again with the racist BS. Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki can go 1-2 in>>>NBA MVP this year.>>
Which of the two is American?>
What does being American have to do with the issue> being discussed? Harry said "white boy in a game> dominated by big black man". The word American> appears nowhere in his post.

You're right. I'm the first person in the history of Al Gore's Internet
to veer slightly off topic in a usenet post.
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Edward M. Kennedy 6 March 2005 11:40:10 [ permanent link ]
 "Milt Epstein" <mepstein@uiuc.edu>­ wrote
Guess I wouldn't mind having Redick on my team -- he wouldn't be a bad> guy to have coming off the bench.

YM "coming off the bench as a scrub with two minutes left."

TIA,

--Tedward


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Jama 6 March 2005 12:37:17 [ permanent link ]
 Harry - you assume too much.
Since when did I say I hate Redick?
My point is that your posts are racist.
I have no problem with Redick other than the standard media over-hype
he gets.
Shut up with the racist BS and we'll discuss it.

Jama

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Jama 6 March 2005 12:51:55 [ permanent link ]
 
1. Reddick is a whining cry-baby>McCants put him to shame with his crying antics.

What do Carolina fans have to do with it? I root for UConn. And IMO,
Redick is a much bigger baby.
2. He's a cocky SOB>and backs it all up - like Iverson.
I didn't say he didn't. I said why people don't like him. People hate
Iverson too.
4. His Dad is a whining cry-baby>I wonder how you would be if you were so proud of your sons - ask me
about my boys - and I will go on forever.

Being proud and whining are too different things. His Dad is a whiner
- complains about calls, about security, etc. I hope you provide a
better example to your sons.
5. He (Reddick) goes on national TV and talks about his poetry
(vomit)>Poetry? - you sound a little to afraid of your feminine side.
I'm just saying that if I were a basketball player, went on national TV
and complained on how the opposing fans treated me (even though I have
seen MUCH MUCH worse), and then wrote a poem about it, I would not be
surprised if people made fun of me. Personally, good for him - but it
does make him a lightning rod for trouble.
8. He plays for Duke (thus magnet for criticism)>Here is the MAIN REASON you dislike him and wish you were him at the
dame time.
I do not dislike him nor do I have any desire to be him. I'm probably
almost your age. If I dislike anything its the media attention he gets
when there are other deserving players. At least he's much better than
Wojo was, I'll give him that.

My main intention for even getting in on this thread is that your posts
were racist. I do not have a problem with Redick, he's a great player.

Jama

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Harry Everhart 6 March 2005 19:35:52 [ permanent link ]
 "Jama" <mrjama@aol.com> wrote:> There are other angles, but I've said enough. Keep in mind I did not> say you were a racist (and I'm still not). I'm saying you made a> racist comment. My grandfather makes racist comments all the time too> - he just doesn't realize it. One of the toughest things about racism> is seeing it for what it is, which isn't always easy. It's up to us> younger folks to point it out to you old farts :-)­ when it happens -> then we'll all be better off. > Jama

This is a good point you made.

Old guys tend to say things that are on their mind with no fear of
repercussions - they put their mouth (and keyboard) in gear without
double thinking. they also walk around in their underwear and do not
care who see them :-)­ They think - the old retirement check is coming
in on the 30th. no matter what I say - I bit my tongue for 55 years - no
more :-)­

Young guys are more politically correct and savvy - and sometimes when
they think of things - they keep them to themselves. I think a lot of
the "hatred" toward JJ is racially motivated by white wannabees. I know
when I use "white" it sets you off - but I think that. The same guys
would love to have them on their team. My example of my love/hate for
Pete Rose illustrates it.

Personal - I try not to hold someone's race against them. But am I not
racist when I "bend over backwards" to be extra-nice and extra-fair to
someone because they are a different race? If so - I do that - so paint
me racist.


I am truly sorry if I offended anyone on here talking about "white
wannabees" and JJ. You may think I am wrong - but those thoughts come in
my head and out my mouth.
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Harry Everhart 6 March 2005 19:38:46 [ permanent link ]
 "Jama" <mrjama@aol.com> wrote:> when there are other deserving players. At least he's much better than> Wojo was, I'll give him that.

Wojo had more heart :-)­
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Harry Everhart 6 March 2005 19:40:39 [ permanent link ]
 
You *do* realize, don't you, that the guy who is probably> the leading candidate for NBA MVP right now is 'a little> white boy'?

What is the NBA?
Harry
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Harry Everhart 6 March 2005 19:47:14 [ permanent link ]
 Kubez <president@whitehou­se.gov> wrote:> Anyone who has seen Duke coeds knows that this is NOTHING to brag about.
I think the women at Duke are beautiful. You can find pretty women
anywhere. When you get my age - beautiful women are the ones that are
nice to me :-)­
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Drew 6 March 2005 19:55:49 [ permanent link ]
 "Harry Everhart" <harry@everhart.com­> wrote in message news:harry-B06357.1­0453206032005@comcas­t.dca.giganews.com..­.>
Who cares about the NBA - this year JJ is the player of the year in> COLLEGE - the name of this newsgroup.

I don't even think JJ is the best player in his conference this year.
I'd give the nod to Chris Paul. I'm not even sure he's the best
player on his team - I really do think Shelden Williams is the
difference-maker for Dook. He changes peoples' shots, grabs
rebounds, and scores consistently.

As for nationally, I'm going with Andrew Bogut, 'cause he's a stud.
Unless I can vote for Deeron Head of Illinois.

Drew


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Kubez 6 March 2005 20:00:46 [ permanent link ]
 Harry Everhart <harry@everhart.com­> wrote in news:harry-
C7D9DE.104714060320­05@comcast.dca.gigan­ews.com:
beautiful women are the ones that are > nice to me :-)­

Carolina men can afford to be more selective.

Carolina women make it easy to be more selective.
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Milt Epstein 6 March 2005 20:30:15 [ permanent link ]
 "Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam@baconburger­.com> writes:
"Milt Epstein" <mepstein@uiuc.edu>­ wrote>
Guess I wouldn't mind having Redick on my team -- he wouldn't be a bad>> guy to have coming off the bench.>
YM "coming off the bench as a scrub with two minutes left."

What, was I too subtle?

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mepstein@uiuc.edu
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Milt Epstein 6 March 2005 20:31:42 [ permanent link ]
 "Drew" <yeah@right.not> writes:
"Harry Everhart" <harry@everhart.com­> wrote in message news:harry-B06357.1­0453206032005@comcas­t.dca.giganews.com..­.>>
Who cares about the NBA - this year JJ is the player of the year in>> COLLEGE - the name of this newsgroup.>
I don't even think JJ is the best player in his conference this year.>I'd give the nod to Chris Paul. I'm not even sure he's the best>player on his team - I really do think Shelden Williams is the>difference-make­r for Dook. He changes peoples' shots, grabs>rebounds, and scores consistently.>
As for nationally, I'm going with Andrew Bogut, 'cause he's a stud.>Unless I can vote for Deeron Head of Illinois.

What about Luther Powell, Jr.? He's got a great combination of inside
and outside moves.

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mepstein@uiuc.edu
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Drew 7 March 2005 03:14:21 [ permanent link ]
 "Milt Epstein" <mepstein@uiuc.edu>­ wrote in message news:d0fb9e$cfo$2@n­ews.ks.uiuc.edu...> "Drew" <yeah@right.not> writes:>
As for nationally, I'm going with Andrew Bogut, 'cause he's a stud.> >Unless I can vote for Deeron Head of Illinois.>
What about Luther Powell, Jr.? He's got a great combination of inside> and outside moves.

He's a good one, too, but I was proud of how I got all three guards
into one name :-D­

Drew





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Jason Bell 7 March 2005 03:19:36 [ permanent link ]
 

Jama wrote:
Harry - you assume too much.> Since when did I say I hate Redick?> My point is that your posts are racist.> I have no problem with Redick other than the standard media over-hype> he gets.> Shut up with the racist BS and we'll discuss it.>
Jama>

Funny, Jama, I don't recall any posts by
you criticizing those who posted hateful
and homophobic comments about Redick.

I must have missed them somehow.

- Jason Bell

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Navin 7 March 2005 05:15:34 [ permanent link ]
 Kubez wrote:> Harry Everhart <harry@everhart.com­> wrote in news:harry-> 214B8E.193255040320­05@comcast.dca.gigan­ews.com:>
JJ Redick is a little >>white boy playing in a game dominated by big black fast men.>
Damning with faint praise. Is there ONE white US player among the top 50 > in the NBA right now? After Brad Miller and Kirk Hinrich, how many white > US NBA starters can you even name?

Brad Miller is easily one of the top 50 NBA players. Look at the
difference in how Sacramento plays when he is present versus when he's
absent.

Also:
Kyle Korver
Bobby Sura
B Barry
Keith van Horn
Chris Andersen
Jeff Foster
Joel Przybilla

There are white, US NBA starters, they're just mostly bad.

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Navin 7 March 2005 05:20:59 [ permanent link ]
 Charlie Board wrote:> Kubez wrote:>
"Jama" <mrjama@aol.com> wrote in >> news:1110009160.242­295.70320@g14g2000cw­a.googlegroups.com:>­>
Again with the racist BS. Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki can go 1-2 in>>> NBA MVP this year.>>
Which of the two is American?>
What does being American have to do with the issue> being discussed? Harry said "white boy in a game> dominated by big black man". The word American> appears nowhere in his post.>
PS to Jama - No way in hell Nowitzki finishes top 2.> More like 5th or so. But he still serves to make> your point.

Dirk is #1 in +/- among all players with +19.0 for 48 minutes.
Obviously the voters won't take this into account, I'm just trying to
point out that he is worthy by a reasonable statistical measure. FWIW,
Kevin Garnett was #1 the last two years. Also, Andrei Kirilenko is #2,
and Manu Ginobili is #4.

For all you Duke haters, Elton Brand is #5.

http://www.82games.­com/rolandratings040­5.htm

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Kubez 7 March 2005 05:28:42 [ permanent link ]
 navin <snivan@earthlink.n­et> wrote in
news:%%NWd.5109$603­.2259@newsread2.news­.atl.earthlink.net:
Charlie Board wrote:>> Kubez wrote:>>
"Jama" <mrjama@aol.com> wrote in >>> news:1110009160.242­295.70320@g14g2000cw­a.googlegroups.com:>­>>
Again with the racist BS. Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki can go 1-2 in>>>> NBA MVP this year.>>>
Which of the two is American?>>
What does being American have to do with the issue>> being discussed? Harry said "white boy in a game>> dominated by big black man". The word American>> appears nowhere in his post.>>
PS to Jama - No way in hell Nowitzki finishes top 2.>> More like 5th or so. But he still serves to make>> your point.>
Dirk is #1 in +/- among all players with +19.0 for 48 minutes.

List of NBA players averaging 25+ points and 10+ rebounds:

Dirk Nowitzki
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Milt Epstein 7 March 2005 05:54:02 [ permanent link ]
 "Drew" <yeah@right.not> writes:
"Milt Epstein" <mepstein@uiuc.edu>­ wrote in message news:d0fb9e$cfo$2@n­ews.ks.uiuc.edu...>>­ "Drew" <yeah@right.not> writes:>>
As for nationally, I'm going with Andrew Bogut, 'cause he's a stud.>> >Unless I can vote for Deeron Head of Illinois.>>
What about Luther Powell, Jr.? He's got a great combination of inside>> and outside moves.>
He's a good one, too, but I was proud of how I got all three guards>into one name :-D­

Yeah, that is commendable. Don't know if you're aware, but the
"Luther Powell, Jr." moniker was actually used by one announcer during
one of their games -- and he repeated it several times, so it wasn't
just a one time mistake.

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Charlie Board 7 March 2005 08:02:18 [ permanent link ]
 Kubez wrote:> navin <snivan@earthlink.n­et> wrote in > news:%%NWd.5109$603­.2259@newsread2.news­.atl.earthlink.net:>­
Charlie Board wrote:>>
Kubez wrote:>>>
"Jama" <mrjama@aol.com> wrote in >>>>news:1110009160­.242295.70320@g14g20­00cwa.googlegroups.c­om:>>>>
Again with the racist BS. Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki can go 1-2 in>>>>>NBA MVP this year.>>>>
Which of the two is American?>>>
What does being American have to do with the issue>>>being discussed? Harry said "white boy in a game>>>dominated by big black man". The word American>>>appears nowhere in his post.>>>
PS to Jama - No way in hell Nowitzki finishes top 2.>>>More like 5th or so. But he still serves to make>>>your point.>>
Dirk is #1 in +/- among all players with +19.0 for 48 minutes. >
List of NBA players averaging 25+ points and 10+ rebounds:>
Dirk Nowitzki

Dirk's rank on the list of top 100 defensive players
in the NBA:

....




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Kubez 7 March 2005 08:42:14 [ permanent link ]
 Charlie Board <charlieDIESPAMMERS­board@nc.rr.com> wrote in
news:422BD247.70609­05@nc.rr.com:
List of NBA players averaging 25+ points and 10+ rebounds:>>
Dirk Nowitzki>
Dirk's rank on the list of top 100 defensive players> in the NBA:>
....

That's why the NBA has a Defensive Player of the Year award totally
separate from the MVP ;-)­
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Jama 7 March 2005 13:22:07 [ permanent link ]
 
Personal - I try not to hold someone's race against them. But am I
not
racist when I "bend over backwards" to be extra-nice and extra-fair to
someone because they are a different race? If so - I do that - so paint

me racist.

Prejudice is not racism, but its something to be wary of. For example,
if I was in California and saw a big, athletic blonde guy and said
"Surfer-Dude-Volley­ball Player", no one would say much. But if I was
in Brooklyn and saw a big, athletic black guy and said
"Basketball-Dunker-­Playground-style" - Oops. Prejudice isn't always
bad - at least how I define it. But racism is *always* bad.

Your comment above is basically personal affirmative action in practice
- which is a long debate in and of itself. But keep in mind the
following: "extra-fair" is an oxymoron. You are either fair or not.
You cannot be extra fair, just as you cannot be extra neutral. Were
you prejudiced to begin with? Or are you giving the minority an
advantage because you felt he or she was at a disadvantage to begin
with? It's an interesting discussion. By the way Harry, thanks for
being open about it.

Jama

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Drew 7 March 2005 19:47:07