Of course the players union would never agree to such an idea>(and management probably wouldn't like it either for that matter)>but it would certainly get the players attention to clean up their>act or else.
And it might even be fair if drug tests were perfect. Unfortunately, they have a non-zero false positive rate, which would mean that every year some players would be banned for life because they happened to be unlucky. I'd describe that as grossly unfair if I didn't think that doing so would be a terrible understatement.
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Fehr has said he wants to clean up baseball without putting a player on the unemployment line. It is a union and unions protects jobs not throw guys out of work.
Make the first offense suspended until testing clean and then 50 games. The player may NOT be replaced on the active roster.
"stonej" <stonej@mail.lib.msu.edu> wrote in message news:1127833907.837254.216970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...> Of course the players union would never agree to such an idea> (and management probably wouldn't like it either for that matter)> but it would certainly get the players attention to clean up their> act or else.>
Igor Eduardo Kpfer 27 September 2005 19:13:28 [ permanent link ]
In rec.sport.baseball on 27 Sep 2005 08:11:47 -0700 stonej wrote:
Of course the players union would never agree to such an idea>(and management probably wouldn't like it either for that matter)>but it would certainly get the players attention to clean up their>act or else.
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Of course the players union would never agree to such an idea> (and management probably wouldn't like it either for that matter)> but it would certainly get the players attention to clean up their> act or else.
I also think giving the Death Penalty to jay-walkers would put an end to that problem in a hurry. -- "Today, the Twins wake up with zero chance to make next year's playoffs. Like the Pittsburgh Pirates. Like the Montreal Expos. Like about all but five or six teams." - Bill Plaschke, L.A. Times, Dec. 12, 2000
In article <j539kdz4ifo3.dlg@tarkus.karnevil9.com>, Tarkus <karnevil9@beer.com> wrote:
On 9/27/2005 8:11:47 AM, stonej wrote:>
Of course the players union would never agree to such an idea> > (and management probably wouldn't like it either for that matter)> > but it would certainly get the players attention to clean up their> > act or else.>
I also think giving the Death Penalty to jay-walkers would put an end to> that problem in a hurry.
Let's not get too extreme. Wouldn't it be an effective deterrent just to recruit 30,000 people to stand on sidewalks to heckle and boo not only the convicted jaywalkers but also the pedestrians suspected of jaywalking? Isn't that how our democracy works?
radiomd venit, vidit, et dixit:> Tarkus <karnevil9@beer.com> wrote:>> On 9/27/2005 8:11:47 AM, stonej wrote:
Of course the players union would never agree to such an idea>> > (and management probably wouldn't like it either for that matter)>> > but it would certainly get the players attention to clean up their>> > act or else.
I also think giving the Death Penalty to jay-walkers would put an end to>> that problem in a hurry.
Let's not get too extreme. Wouldn't it be an effective deterrent just to > recruit 30,000 people to stand on sidewalks to heckle and boo not only > the convicted jaywalkers but also the pedestrians suspected of > jaywalking? Isn't that how our democracy works?
No our democracy works like this:
Billy Bands is a jaywalker and should be shot. In leaked grand jury testimony which we haven't seen, he admitted to crossing a street. When asked if he ever crossed in the middle of the street, Bonds denied it, adding perjury to his many crimes. When friend and fellow jaywalker Craig Andersen was asked if Bands ever jaywalked, he denied it, though he did admit crossing the street with Bands on several occasions. Clearly Bands is a jaywalker. And that's even before the statistical evidence: the number of times Bands has crossed the street and the relative paucity of crosswalks practically proves that Bands must have jaywalked, even before we get into how he admitted to jaywalking in his grand jury testimony (the one in which he denied ever jaywalking).
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In article <43398de5@amhnt2.amherst.edu>, rpmachemer@note.SPamherstAM.edu (Bob-Nob) wrote:
No our democracy works like this:>
Billy Bands is a jaywalker and should be shot. In leaked grand jury> testimony which we haven't seen, he admitted to crossing a street.> When asked if he ever crossed in the middle of the street, Bonds denied> it, adding perjury to his many crimes. When friend and fellow jaywalker> Craig Andersen was asked if Bands ever jaywalked, he denied it, though> he did admit crossing the street with Bands on several occasions.> Clearly Bands is a jaywalker. And that's even before the statistical> evidence: the number of times Bands has crossed the street and the relative> paucity of crosswalks practically proves that Bands must have jaywalked,> even before we get into how he admitted to jaywalking in his grand jury> testimony (the one in which he denied ever jaywalking).
And to protect our children from the perils of jaywalking, we must vilify Billy Bands. Shoot him and vilify him, and make rude noises in public places. Shoot him, vilify him, make rude noises in public places, and obliterate all his street-crossing records from the repository of our culture. He must be eliminated, for ever and ever, amen. And only then will we be safe.
Of course the players union would never agree to such an idea>>(and management probably wouldn't like it either for that matter)>>but it would certainly get the players attention to clean up their>>act or else.>
And it might even be fair if drug tests were perfect. Unfortunately, they>have a non-zero false positive rate, which would mean that every year some>players would be banned for life because they happened to be unlucky. I'd>describe that as grossly unfair if I didn't think that doing so would be a>terrible understatement.
Escrow a second sample taken at the same time at the first, if the first sample fails, have the second tested by a different lab. If the second sample fails - within a certain epsilon of similarity - take a third sample today and have it tested by a third lab. Suspend only if the results of the third are consistent with breakdown over time from the first and the second.
And, even then, life suspension is too much. One year is plenty sufficient.
There are a series of testing protocols where samples are divided into A and B and both must test positive. Part of the recent Lance Armstrong brouhaha was they only tested the B sample not the A in violation of the rules.
A player should not be allowed back on the active roster until testing clean.
"Craig Richardson" <crichard-tacoma@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message>
Escrow a second sample taken at the same time at the first, if the> first sample fails, have the second tested by a different lab. If the> second sample fails - within a certain epsilon of similarity - take a> third sample today and have it tested by a third lab. Suspend only if> the results of the third are consistent with breakdown over time from> the first and the second.>
And, even then, life suspension is too much. One year is plenty> sufficient.>
David Marc Nieporent 28 September 2005 03:52:09 [ permanent link ]
In article <1127833907.837254.216970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "stonej" <stonej@mail.lib.msu.edu> wrote:
Of course the players union would never agree to such an idea>(and management probably wouldn't like it either for that matter)>but it would certainly get the players attention to clean up their>act or else.
Sounds good. What's the penalty for a second offense?
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The Enigmatic One 29 September 2005 13:08:54 [ permanent link ]
In article <1127865289.003208.316510@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, wunnuy@netzero.net says...>
No, our democray works like this: A bunch of whiners who think it's>okay to take steroids create little unfunny scenarios that don't prove>their point at all, then cry about people who think steroids are bad.
You provide nothing useful to anyone.
You really are the definition of worthless.
Your mother would be ever so happy if you were to kill yourself.
