The Dodger pitcher threw his glove in the air at a short pop fly, hit>the ball with the glove, knocking it down, grabbed teh ball and threw>to first. The umpires awarded the batter 3rd base on a little known and>rarely used rule that says a player cannot throw his glove at the ball>and if he does, the batter gets THREE bases.
IIRC, the rule is a bit more extensive than that; it give the three base award any time that "a fielder deliberately touches a fair ball with his cap, mask or any part of his uniform detached from its proper place on his person." I assume that the reason that it's so rarely called is that the players know the rule and avoid violating it because the penalty is so harsh. I would guess that this is a quite old rule, and probably dates back to the days before gloves were common and fielders would be more inclined to try catching balls in their caps.
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Roger Moore venit, vidit, et dixit:> "Wunnuy" <wunnuy@netzero.net> writes:
The Dodger pitcher threw his glove in the air at a short pop fly, hit>> the ball with the glove, knocking it down, grabbed teh ball and threw>> to first. The umpires awarded the batter 3rd base on a little known and>> rarely used rule that says a player cannot throw his glove at the ball>> and if he does, the batter gets THREE bases.
IIRC, the rule is a bit more extensive than that; it give the three base> award any time that "a fielder deliberately touches a fair ball with his> cap, mask or any part of his uniform detached from its proper place on his> person."
Which is why the Bugs Bunny cartoon in which he single-handedly beats the Gas House Gorillas always irritated me. The Gas House Gorilla was correct to argue that he shouldn't have been called out on the final play of the game.
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 05:31:38 +0000 (UTC), raj@alumnae.caltech.edu (Roger Moore) wrote:
"Wunnuy" <wunnuy@netzero.net> writes:>
The Dodger pitcher threw his glove in the air at a short pop fly, hit>>the ball with the glove, knocking it down, grabbed teh ball and threw>>to first. The umpires awarded the batter 3rd base on a little known and>>rarely used rule that says a player cannot throw his glove at the ball>>and if he does, the batter gets THREE bases. >
IIRC, the rule is a bit more extensive than that; it give the three base>award any time that "a fielder deliberately touches a fair ball with his>cap, mask or any part of his uniform detached from its proper place on his>person." I assume that the reason that it's so rarely called is that the>players know the rule and avoid violating it because the penalty is so>harsh. I would guess that this is a quite old rule, and probably dates>back to the days before gloves were common and fielders would be more>inclined to try catching balls in their caps.
The Dodger pitcher threw his glove in the air at a short pop fly, hit>>the ball with the glove, knocking it down, grabbed teh ball and threw>>to first. The umpires awarded the batter 3rd base on a little known and>>rarely used rule that says a player cannot throw his glove at the ball>>and if he does, the batter gets THREE bases. >
IIRC, the rule is a bit more extensive than that; it give the three base> award any time that "a fielder deliberately touches a fair ball with his> cap, mask or any part of his uniform detached from its proper place on his> person."
I remember watching a game where the catcher blocked a pitch in the dirt, took off his mask while staring down a runner on base, and used the mask to push the ball back in front of him. The opposing manager came out and argued that this rule should have been applied, but the umpire refused.
On Sun, 29 May 2005 05:31:38 +0000 (UTC), raj@alumnae.caltech.edu (Roger Moore) wrote:
IIRC, the rule is a bit more extensive than that; it give the three base>award any time that "a fielder deliberately touches a fair ball with his>cap, mask or any part of his uniform detached from its proper place on his>person." I assume that the reason that it's so rarely called is that the>players know the rule and avoid violating it because the penalty is so>harsh. I would guess that this is a quite old rule, and probably dates>back to the days before gloves were common and fielders would be more>inclined to try catching balls in their caps.
It goes back at least to 1883, which is the earliest rule book I have. The chronology in Total Baseball dates it to 1873.
Which is why the Bugs Bunny cartoon in which he single-handedly> beats the Gas House Gorillas always irritated me. The Gas House Gorilla> was correct to argue that he shouldn't have been called out on the final> play of the game.> --Robert Machemer
Other than that, the cartoon is completely realistic. Why, it's practically a documentary!
Like when Bugs threw a "slowball" and struck out three batters on one pitch. One, two, three strikes! Yer out! One, two, three strikes! Yer out! One, two, three strikes! Yer out! It's a wonder we don't see that strategy used more often.
Also, it works really well to put your best player at all nine positions at the same time. -- - Jeff Lichtman Author, Baseball for Rookies http://baseball-for-rookies.com/
David J. Grabiner 30 May 2005 03:41:14 [ permanent link ]
Tanner <tanner@knuckler.com> writes:
Roger Moore wrote:>
"Wunnuy" <wunnuy@netzero.net> writes:> >
The Dodger pitcher threw his glove in the air at a short pop fly, hit> >>the ball with the glove, knocking it down, grabbed teh ball and threw> >>to first. The umpires awarded the batter 3rd base on a little known and> >>rarely used rule that says a player cannot throw his glove at the ball> >> and if he does, the batter gets THREE bases.> > IIRC, the rule is a bit more extensive than that; it give the three> > base> > award any time that "a fielder deliberately touches a fair ball with his> > cap, mask or any part of his uniform detached from its proper place on his> > person.">
I remember watching a game where the catcher blocked a pitch in the> dirt, took off his mask while staring down a runner on base, and used> the mask to push the ball back in front of him. The opposing manager> came out and argued that this rule should have been applied, but the> umpire refused.
I remember the rule being invoked (by the Angels?) The runner was awarded two bases, not three, since this was a thrown ball rather than a pitched ball.
Which is why the Bugs Bunny cartoon in which he single-handedly>> beats the Gas House Gorillas always irritated me.>
Bugs Bunny just knew how to win.
He was no Road Runner. -- "The owners are the alcoholic who blames the liquor store for being located on the corner." - John Delcos, (Westchester, NY) Journal News
->Like when Bugs threw a "slowball" and struck out three batters on one ->pitch. One, two, three strikes! Yer out! One, two, three strikes! Yer ->out! One, two, three strikes! Yer out! It's a wonder we don't see that ->strategy used more often.
And think about all the wear and tear he's saving on his arm by keeping his pitch counts down.
"Wunnuy" <wunnuy@netzero.net> wrote in message news:1117340773.292967.193710@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> The Dodger pitcher threw his glove in the air at a short pop fly, hit> the ball with the glove, knocking it down, grabbed teh ball and threw> to first. The umpires awarded the batter 3rd base on a little known and> rarely used rule that says a player cannot throw his glove at the ball> and if he does, the batter gets THREE bases.
The rule prohibits a player from throwing his glove at and hitting a batted ball (three bases) or thrown ball (two bases). Merely throwing a glove at the ball is not against the rules.
In article <ifyme.1157$Sl5.751@trndny08>, "Ryan Robbins" <redbird007@verizon.net> wrote:
The rule prohibits a player from throwing his glove at and hitting a batted > ball (three bases) or thrown ball (two bases). Merely throwing a glove at > the ball is not against the rules.
I assume that if the ball was going over the fence, that the batter would be awarded the home run. Otherwise, throwing one's glove at a home run ball would be good strategy.
"Hank Gillette" <hankgillette@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hankgillette-284F65.03094930052005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...> In article <ifyme.1157$Sl5.751@trndny08>,> "Ryan Robbins" <redbird007@verizon.net> wrote:>
The rule prohibits a player from throwing his glove at and hitting a >> batted>> ball (three bases) or thrown ball (two bases). Merely throwing a glove at>> the ball is not against the rules.>
I assume that if the ball was going over the fence, that the batter> would be awarded the home run. Otherwise, throwing one's glove at a home> run ball would be good strategy.
Yes, in the case of a thrown glove or other equipment preventing a home run, the award would be four bases.
"David J. Grabiner" <grabiner@alumni.princeton.edu> wrote:>
I remember the rule being invoked (by the Angels?) The runner was> awarded two bases, not three, since this was a thrown ball rather than> a pitched ball.
Mike Scioscia blocked a Jay Howell pitch in the dirt and retrieved the ball using his mask. Padres coach Bruce Kimm and manager Greg Riddoch protested in vain to plate ump Jerry Layne.
Crew chief Jim Quick huddled with Layne, Ed Rapuano, and Brian Gorman and allowed base-runner Fred McGriff to score from third base citing Rule 7.05 (d). (from an undated clipping in my rulebook)
Luis Aparicio knocked his cap into his glove while flipping his sunglasses. He then caught the popup in his cap in his glove. In this case, Rule 7.05 was not applied because the violation was not intentional.
-- Don
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