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GYXU > Baseball > Re: HOFer who played for the most franchises 24 May 2005 02:34:38

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Re: HOFer who played for the most franchises

Tanner 24 May 2005 02:34:38
 

Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:> Post 1900 players. Not sure but it looks like Wilhelm with 9.


I only see 8 for Wilhelm, in which case he's tied with Gaylord Perry.

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Tanner 20 May 2005 22:54:16 permanent link ]
 

Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
Tanner wrote:>
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:>>
Post 1900 players. Not sure but it looks like Wilhelm with 9.>>
I only see 8 for Wilhelm, in which case he's tied with Gaylord Perry.>
BRC says 9.>

BRC is always right, and I can't count.

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Corby Gilmore 20 May 2005 23:05:07 permanent link ]
 
"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" (xeton2001@yahoo.co­m) writes:> Tanner wrote:>> Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:>> > Post 1900 players. Not sure but it looks like Wilhelm with 9.>>
I only see 8 for Wilhelm, in which case he's tied with Gaylord Perry.>
BRC says 9.

1. NY Giants 52-56
2. St Louis Cardinals 57
3. Cleveland Indians 57-58
4. Baltimore orioles 58-62
5. Chicago White Sox 63-68
6. California Angels 69
7. Atlanta Braves 69-70, 71
8. Chicago Cubs 70
9. L.A. Dodgers 71-72

9 it is.
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David The Nationals Fan 20 May 2005 23:33:50 permanent link ]
 
"Corby Gilmore" <ai750@FreeNet.Carl­eton.CA> wrote in message
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1. NY Giants 52-56> 2. St Louis Cardinals 57> 3. Cleveland Indians 57-58> 4. Baltimore orioles 58-62> 5. Chicago White Sox 63-68> 6. California Angels 69> 7. Atlanta Braves 69-70, 71> 8. Chicago Cubs 70> 9. L.A. Dodgers 71-72

It says major league teams...
can we really count the 58-62 Orioles, the post WWII Indians, the post WW
I Cubs, the post 1960 White Sox, or the pre-2000 Angels. By my count that's
only 4 major league teams....


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Bob Roman 21 May 2005 01:17:23 permanent link ]
 On Fri, 20 May 2005 19:33:50 GMT, "David The Nationals Fan"
<GoNats@nul.dev> wrote:
"Corby Gilmore" <ai750@FreeNet.Carl­eton.CA> wrote...>
5. Chicago White Sox 63-68>
It says major league teams...> can we really count the 58-62 Orioles, the post WWII Indians, the post WW >I Cubs, the post 1960 White Sox, or the pre-2000 Angels. By my count that's >only 4 major league teams....

The White Sox averaged 89 wins a year those six years.

Bob Roman

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David The Nationals Fan 21 May 2005 01:25:35 permanent link ]
 
"Bob Roman" <robertjroman@hotma­il.com> wrote in message
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The White Sox averaged 89 wins a year those six years.

Just enough to lure in fans, but not enough to actually win. Point
taken... that adds a second team to his MLB credentials....


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Bob Roman 21 May 2005 01:52:49 permanent link ]
 On Fri, 20 May 2005 21:25:35 GMT, "David The Nationals Fan"
<GoNats@nul.dev> wrote:
"Bob Roman" <robertjroman@hotma­il.com> wrote...>
The White Sox averaged 89 wins a year those six years.>
Just enough to lure in fans, but not enough to actually win. Point >taken... that adds a second team to his MLB credentials....

Cleveland was mediocre (i.e., .500) the two seasons he was there, but
they averaged 89 wins a year in the three seasons before and three
seasons after. And five of those six were 154-game seasons.

Bob Roman

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Jpm III 21 May 2005 07:02:05 permanent link ]
 http://www.baseball-­reference.com/leader­s/leaders_most_franc­hises.shtml

Just scan that list for HOF'ers.


Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote in
news:1116607139.481­828.124040@g44g2000c­wa.googlegroups.com:­>
Post 1900 players. Not sure but it looks like Wilhelm with 9.> Henderson also has 9 as does gossage though i don't think gossage will> or should make the HOF.


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Jpm III 21 May 2005 07:04:19 permanent link ]
 
Just scan that list for HOF'ers.




I just noticed that players are labeled as HOF'ers at the top of their B-R
pages.

Dan Brouthers is your answer, the only HOF'er to play for 10 different
franchises.

http://www.baseball­-reference.com/b/bro­utda01.shtml




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Mischa Gelman 22 May 2005 06:06:50 permanent link ]
 Wunnuy wrote:> It's amazing a supremely average pitcher like Mike Morgan has 22 years> in the Bigs.

Why? Almost every team could use an average pitcher, as the average
pitcher bumps a bad pitcher from the roster.

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Jeff Lichtman 23 May 2005 02:50:10 permanent link ]
 Mischa Gelman wrote:> Wunnuy wrote:>> It's amazing a supremely average pitcher like Mike Morgan has 22 years>> in the Bigs.>
Why? Almost every team could use an average pitcher, as the average > pitcher bumps a bad pitcher from the roster.

Players decline over time. Most players who have had major-league
careers of over 20 years started as great performers and gradually
declined to replacement level. Morgan started as an average pitcher, but
he didn't decline as quickly as most players do, so he lasted longer
than many pitchers who were better than him. The thing that's
interesting about Morgan is that he stayed average for so long.

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Tom MacIntyre 23 May 2005 18:36:58 permanent link ]
 On Sun, 22 May 2005 15:50:10 -0700, Jeff Lichtman <swazoo@rcn.com>
wrote:
Mischa Gelman wrote:>> Wunnuy wrote:>>> It's amazing a supremely average pitcher like Mike Morgan has 22 years>>> in the Bigs.>>
Why? Almost every team could use an average pitcher, as the average >> pitcher bumps a bad pitcher from the roster.>
Players decline over time. Most players who have had major-league >careers of over 20 years started as great performers and gradually >declined to replacement level. Morgan started as an average pitcher, but >he didn't decline as quickly as most players do, so he lasted longer >than many pitchers who were better than him. The thing that's >interesting about Morgan is that he stayed average for so long.

Jamie Moyer makes for an interesting case here...

Tom
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Mischa Gelman 24 May 2005 01:55:15 permanent link ]
 Wunnuy wrote:
You'd think every team would want a good pitcher, as the good pitcher> bumps an average pitcher from the roster.

How many teams can afford to bump an average pitcher with a roster? Has
any team ever had 11 hurlers with ERA+s of 100 or better? Very few teams
(if any) want to lose average pitchers and if they do, other teams will
quickly gobble them up.

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Dvd Avins 24 May 2005 02:26:04 permanent link ]
 Mischa Gelman wrote:> Wunnuy wrote:>
You'd think every team would want a good pitcher, as the good pitcher>> bumps an average pitcher from the roster.>
How many teams can afford to bump an average pitcher with a roster? Has > any team ever had 11 hurlers with ERA+s of 100 or better?

Theo 1979 Orioles didn't, because they didn't have 11 pitchers (if you
don't count Flinn and Rineer, who got September cups of coffee). Ford,
who had a 191 ERA+, was only on the team for while because one of their
9-man staff was on the DL.

The worst ERA on the team (out of all 12 pitchers who took the mound
even once) was 3.66. Other than the Orioles, the best *TEAM* ERA in the
league was 3.83.

You'd think some of their success was attributable to fielding, but how
much> Ken Singleton was the every-day right fielder. Belanger was past
his prime and no longer the regular.


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Dvd Avins 24 May 2005 02:34:38 permanent link ]
 Dvd Avins wrote:> Mischa Gelman wrote:
How many teams can afford to bump an average pitcher with a roster? >> Has any team ever had 11 hurlers with ERA+s of 100 or better?>
The 1979 Orioles didn't, because they didn't have 11 pitchers (if you > don't count Flinn and Rineer, who got September cups of coffee). Ford, > who had a 191 ERA+, was only on the team for while because one of their > 9-man staff was on the DL.>
The worst ERA on the team (out of all 12 pitchers who took the mound > even once) was 3.66. Other than the Orioles, the best *TEAM* ERA in the > league was 3.83.

Sorry, the worst ERA on the team was 3.77. Still better than any other
team's average.

http://www.baseball­-reference.com/teams­/BAL/1979.shtml

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