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Re: Who's the youngest guy to be the oldest guy in BB?

Jpm III 18 May 2005 10:46:35
 http://www.baseball-­reference.com/leader­s/Oldest_leagues.sht­ml

Lots of 39-year-olds were the oldest guy in MLB at one time or another.
Gavvy Cravath was the oldest player at age 38 in 1919. Kid Gleason, 38,
1905.

No one younger than that until you go back to the 1880s.


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Baseball-reference.­com says bob gibson was the oldest guy in BB in> 1975 even though he was only 39. Anybody top that?>
They also have this amazing fact about gibby>
"My favorite pitcher all time. Yes that ERA in 1968 is right. The most> dazzling stat? He completed 28 of 34 starts. He was pinch hit for in> the 6 he didn't finish, which means his manager never had to come to> the mound to take the ball from him ALL YEAR!! "


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Jpm III 13 May 2005 11:18:53 permanent link ]
 Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote in
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Lots of 39-year-olds were the oldest guy in MLB at one time or> > another. Gavvy Cravath was the oldest player at age 38 in 1919. Kid> > Gleason, 38, 1905.>
Ok - I didn't know BRC had a web page for that stat.

It's in the Leaders section.


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Jpm III 13 May 2005 11:20:32 permanent link ]
 Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote in
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:> > JPM III wrote:> > > http://www.baseball­-reference.com/leade­rs/Oldest_leagues.sh­tml> > >
Lots of 39-year-olds were the oldest guy in MLB at one time or> > > another. Gavvy Cravath was the oldest player at age 38 in 1919.> > > Kid Gleason, 38, 1905.> >
Ok - I didn't know BRC had a web page for that stat.>
BRC also has a page that answers the question of the oldest guy to be> the youngest guy in BB. Looks like tejada in 1997 - age 21.

Tejada was the youngest in the AL at 21, but Andruw Jones was only 20 that
year in the NL. So one of the many 20-year-olds who were the youngest in
baseball at any given time would be the oldest. As for which one? No idea...


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Jpm III 13 May 2005 11:33:07 permanent link ]
 JPM III wrote in news:3zYge.4804$It1­.1370@lakeread02:>
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote in> news:1115968699.080­398.31230@o13g2000cw­o.googlegroups.com:>­ >
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:> > > JPM III wrote:> > > > http://www.baseball­-reference.com/leade­rs/Oldest_leagues.sh­tml> > > >
Lots of 39-year-olds were the oldest guy in MLB at one time or> > > > another. Gavvy Cravath was the oldest player at age 38 in 1919.> > > > Kid Gleason, 38, 1905.> > >
Ok - I didn't know BRC had a web page for that stat.> >
BRC also has a page that answers the question of the oldest guy to> > be the youngest guy in BB. Looks like tejada in 1997 - age 21.>
Tejada was the youngest in the AL at 21, but Andruw Jones was only 20> that year in the NL. So one of the many 20-year-olds who were the> youngest in baseball at any given time would be the oldest. As for> which one? No idea...

Actually, Andruw Jones was 19 at the beginning of that season. His birthday
was April 23, 1977.

But it's definitely in the last 20 years (since 1986), because that was the
first ever season when the youngest player in both leagues was 20 or older.
So we can probably narrow it down by analyzing the youngest players in 1986,
1992, 1993, 1997, 2000, 2001, and 2002. It would be a matter of picking the
guy with the latest birthday.

(Looks)

Jon Garland. 20 years, 9 months, 7 days. No youngest player in MLB at any
given time has been older.

Birth: 09/27/1979
Debut: 07/04/2000

(Looks again to make sure)

Yep. Jon Garland (this year's best AL starter to this point) was the oldest
youngest-at-the-tim­e player in MLB history. :)­ According to what I can
discern from Baseball-Reference.­com.


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Jpm III 13 May 2005 23:42:17 permanent link ]
 defaultuserbr@yahoo.­com wrote in
news:1116012071.188­758.129060@g43g2000c­wa.googlegroups.com:­>
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:> > Baseball-reference.­com says bob gibson was the oldest guy in BB in> > 1975 even though he was only 39. Anybody top that?> >
They also have this amazing fact about gibby> >
"My favorite pitcher all time. Yes that ERA in 1968 is right. The> > most dazzling stat? He completed 28 of 34 starts. He was pinch hit> > for in the 6 he didn't finish, which means his manager never had to> > come to the mound to take the ball from him ALL YEAR!! ">
The real amazing thing was that his record was "only" 23-9. I saw a TV> interview with Gibson, he talked about how people refered to him as> being grumpy that year. He said, "I had an ERA of ONE, and still> managed to lose nine ballgames. You'd be grumpy too!">
It's always a treat to hear Gibby talk about stuff.

Sorta like Smoltz's 2nd-through-6th starts this year, eh? He had an ERA of
1.82 and was, what, 2-2?


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Dale Hicks 14 May 2005 04:31:30 permanent link ]
 In article <xxYge.4803$It1.453­1@lakeread02>, jpmccord@hotmail.co­m
says...> Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote in > news:1115968428.183­281.316820@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com:­> >
Lots of 39-year-olds were the oldest guy in MLB at one time or> > > another. Gavvy Cravath was the oldest player at age 38 in 1919. Kid> > > Gleason, 38, 1905.> >
Ok - I didn't know BRC had a web page for that stat.>
It's in the Leaders section.

Okay, but who was the tallest player in baseball for the longest
stretch?

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Steve 14 May 2005 05:35:49 permanent link ]
 Dale Hicks wrote:
In article <xxYge.4803$It1.453­1@lakeread02>, jpmccord@hotmail.co­m > says...>
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote in >>news:1115968428.1­83281.316820@f14g200­0cwb.googlegroups.co­m:>>
JPM III wrote:>>>
Lots of 39-year-olds were the oldest guy in MLB at one time or>>>>another. Gavvy Cravath was the oldest player at age 38 in 1919. Kid>>>>Gleason, 38, 1905.>>>
Ok - I didn't know BRC had a web page for that stat.>>
It's in the Leaders section. >
Okay, but who was the tallest player in baseball for the longest > stretch?>
How can it not be Randy Johnson?

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Jpm III 14 May 2005 10:38:47 permanent link ]
 Dale Hicks wrote in news:3ekv70F3f90pU4­@individual.net:>
In article <xxYge.4803$It1.453­1@lakeread02>, jpmccord@hotmail.co­m> says...> > Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote in> > news:1115968428.183­281.316820@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com:­> > >
Lots of 39-year-olds were the oldest guy in MLB at one time or> > > > another. Gavvy Cravath was the oldest player at age 38 in 1919.> > > > Kid Gleason, 38, 1905.> > >
Ok - I didn't know BRC had a web page for that stat.> >
It's in the Leaders section.>
Okay, but who was the tallest player in baseball for the longest> stretch?

Randy Johnson, by far.

Eric Milton, to my knowledge, is the only other player at 6'10" ever to play
for any significant number of games.


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David Marc Nieporent 16 May 2005 07:46:34 permanent link ]
 In article <22hhe.5181$It1.515­9@lakeread02>,
"JPM III" <jpmccord@hotmail.c­om> wrote:>Dale Hicks wrote in news:3ekv70F3f90pU4­@individual.net:
Okay, but who was the tallest player in baseball for the longest>> stretch?
Randy Johnson, by far.>Eric Milton, to my knowledge, is the only other player at 6'10" ever to play >for any significant number of games.

You're confusing players. Eric Milton is not 6'10". Eric *Hillman* is.

Chris Young, currently in the Ranger rotation, and formerly starting center
for my alma mater, is also 6'10".

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Don McC 16 May 2005 08:57:16 permanent link ]
 "Edward Ruggeri" <ruggeri@uchicago.e­du>queries:>
Since we're on weird trivia already, who is the shortest player in> baseball?

http://tinyurl.com/­c392e

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Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are much more pliable.
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Edward Ruggeri 16 May 2005 09:02:08 permanent link ]
 On Sun, 15 May 2005 23:57:16 -0500, Don McC <DonMcC@adelphia.ne­t> wrote:
"Edward Ruggeri" <ruggeri@uchicago.e­du>queries:>>
Since we're on weird trivia already, who is the shortest player in>> baseball?>
--> Don>
Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are much more pliable.> ~ Mark Twain

Thanks very much :)­
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Jpm III 16 May 2005 12:37:24 permanent link ]
 David Marc Nieporent wrote in
news:nieporen-5016B­4.23463315052005@hos­t170.octanews.net:>
In article <22hhe.5181$It1.515­9@lakeread02>,> "JPM III" <jpmccord@hotmail.c­om> wrote:> > Dale Hicks wrote in news:3ekv70F3f90pU4­@individual.net:>
Okay, but who was the tallest player in baseball for the longest> > > stretch?>
Randy Johnson, by far.> > Eric Milton, to my knowledge, is the only other player at 6'10"> > ever to play for any significant number of games.>
You're confusing players. Eric Milton is not 6'10". Eric *Hillman*> is.

I wasn't so much confusing players as just typing the wrong name. All I
remembered about the Hillman was that he was a decent pitcher for the Mets
for about five minutes in the early or mid '90s... :)­


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James Kahn 16 May 2005 17:39:58 permanent link ]
 In <nieporen-5016B4.23­463315052005@host170­.octanews.net> David Marc Nieporent <nieporen@alumni.pr­inceton.edu> writes:
In article <22hhe.5181$It1.515­9@lakeread02>,> "JPM III" <jpmccord@hotmail.c­om> wrote:>>Dale Hicks wrote in news:3ekv70F3f90pU4­@individual.net:
Okay, but who was the tallest player in baseball for the longest>>> stretch?
Randy Johnson, by far.>>Eric Milton, to my knowledge, is the only other player at 6'10" ever to play >>for any significant number of games.
You're confusing players. Eric Milton is not 6'10". Eric *Hillman* is.
Chris Young, currently in the Ranger rotation, and formerly starting center >for my alma mater, is also 6'10".

Jon Rauch of the Nationals is listed at 6'11", an inch taller than Johnson.
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Eric Opperman 16 May 2005 21:28:41 permanent link ]
 James Kahn wrote:
In <nieporen-5016B4.23­463315052005@host170­.octanews.net> David Marc Nieporent <nieporen@alumni.pr­inceton.edu> writes:>
In article <22hhe.5181$It1.515­9@lakeread02>,>>"JPM­ III" <jpmccord@hotmail.c­om> wrote:>>
Dale Hicks wrote in news:3ekv70F3f90pU4­@individual.net:>
Okay, but who was the tallest player in baseball for the longest>>>>stretch?­>
Randy Johnson, by far.>>>Eric Milton, to my knowledge, is the only other player at 6'10" ever to play >>>for any significant number of games. >
You're confusing players. Eric Milton is not 6'10". Eric *Hillman* is.>
Chris Young, currently in the Ranger rotation, and formerly starting center >>for my alma mater, is also 6'10".>
Jon Rauch of the Nationals is listed at 6'11", an inch taller than Johnson.

And that's legit. He's also in the 260 range. I'm not sure many
batters would want to charge the mound on him.

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Perry Sailor 16 May 2005 23:54:42 permanent link ]
 
"JPM III" <jpmccord@hotmail.c­om> wrote in message
news:vq7he.4822$It1­.3510@lakeread02...>­ defaultuserbr@yahoo­.com wrote in> news:1116012071.188­758.129060@g43g2000c­wa.googlegroups.com:­> >
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:> > > Baseball-reference.­com says bob gibson was the oldest guy in BB in> > > 1975 even though he was only 39. Anybody top that?> > >
They also have this amazing fact about gibby> > >
"My favorite pitcher all time. Yes that ERA in 1968 is right. The> > > most dazzling stat? He completed 28 of 34 starts. He was pinch hit> > > for in the 6 he didn't finish, which means his manager never had to> > > come to the mound to take the ball from him ALL YEAR!! "> >
The real amazing thing was that his record was "only" 23-9. I saw a TV> > interview with Gibson, he talked about how people refered to him as> > being grumpy that year. He said, "I had an ERA of ONE, and still> > managed to lose nine ballgames. You'd be grumpy too!"> >
It's always a treat to hear Gibby talk about stuff.>
Sorta like Smoltz's 2nd-through-6th starts this year, eh? He had an ERA of> 1.82 and was, what, 2-2?

I think Clemens had a stretch with an even lower ERA and a worse record this
year. That stuff doesn't always even out too quickly, either. Joe Magrane
won the ERA title one year at 2.18 and went 5-9. And Nolan Ryan had an
8-16, 2.76 season. At least Gibson won 23 to go with the 9 losses.

Perry


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Steve Grant 17 May 2005 00:33:47 permanent link ]
 "Perry Sailor" <perry.sailor@ReMoV­eThIscolorado.edu> wrote in message
news:d6atq3$a0u$1@p­eabody.colorado.edu.­..>
"JPM III" <jpmccord@hotmail.c­om> wrote in message> news:vq7he.4822$It1­.3510@lakeread02...>­ > defaultuserbr@yahoo­.com wrote in> > news:1116012071.188­758.129060@g43g2000c­wa.googlegroups.com:­> > >
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:> > > > Baseball-reference.­com says bob gibson was the oldest guy in BB in> > > > 1975 even though he was only 39. Anybody top that?> > > >
They also have this amazing fact about gibby> > > >
"My favorite pitcher all time. Yes that ERA in 1968 is right. The> > > > most dazzling stat? He completed 28 of 34 starts. He was pinch hit> > > > for in the 6 he didn't finish, which means his manager never had to> > > > come to the mound to take the ball from him ALL YEAR!! "> > >
The real amazing thing was that his record was "only" 23-9. I saw a TV> > > interview with Gibson, he talked about how people refered to him as> > > being grumpy that year. He said, "I had an ERA of ONE, and still> > > managed to lose nine ballgames. You'd be grumpy too!"> > >
It's always a treat to hear Gibby talk about stuff.> >
Sorta like Smoltz's 2nd-through-6th starts this year, eh? He had an ERA
1.82 and was, what, 2-2?>
I think Clemens had a stretch with an even lower ERA and a worse record
this> year. That stuff doesn't always even out too quickly, either. Joe
Magrane> won the ERA title one year at 2.18 and went 5-9. And Nolan Ryan had an> 8-16, 2.76 season. At least Gibson won 23 to go with the 9 losses.

I hate it when players like Bob Gibson and Chris Truby try to add another W
to their season record when nobody's looking and hope nobody notices.


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Jpm III 17 May 2005 06:45:01 permanent link ]
 James Kahn wrote in news:d6a7re$b5o$1@r­eader1.panix.com:>
Okay, but who was the tallest player in baseball for the longest> > > > stretch?>
Jon Rauch of the Nationals is listed at 6'11", an inch taller than> Johnson.

Okay, so how's that "longest stretch" potential looking? How long will Rauch
last?


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Jpm III 17 May 2005 06:46:47 permanent link ]
 Perry Sailor wrote in news:d6atq3$a0u$1@p­eabody.colorado.edu:­>
"JPM III" <jpmccord@hotmail.c­om> wrote in message> news:vq7he.4822$It1­.3510@lakeread02...>­ > defaultuserbr@yahoo­.com wrote in> > news:1116012071.188­758.129060@g43g2000c­wa.googlegroups.com:­> > >
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:> > > > Baseball-reference.­com says bob gibson was the oldest guy in BB> > > > in 1975 even though he was only 39. Anybody top that?> > > >
They also have this amazing fact about gibby> > > >
"My favorite pitcher all time. Yes that ERA in 1968 is right.> > > > The most dazzling stat? He completed 28 of 34 starts. He was> > > > pinch hit for in the 6 he didn't finish, which means his> > > > manager never had to come to the mound to take the ball from> > > > him ALL YEAR!! "> > >
The real amazing thing was that his record was "only" 23-9. I saw> > > a TV interview with Gibson, he talked about how people refered to> > > him as being grumpy that year. He said, "I had an ERA of ONE, and> > > still managed to lose nine ballgames. You'd be grumpy too!"> > >
It's always a treat to hear Gibby talk about stuff.> >
Sorta like Smoltz's 2nd-through-6th starts this year, eh? He had an> > ERA of> > 1.82 and was, what, 2-2?>
I think Clemens had a stretch with an even lower ERA and a worse> record this year. That stuff doesn't always even out too quickly,> either. Joe Magrane won the ERA title one year at 2.18 and went 5-9.> And Nolan Ryan had an 8-16, 2.76 season. At least Gibson won 23 to> go with the 9 losses.

And Maddux was 16-6 with a 1.56 ERA (something like that, anyway) in a
strike-shortened season during the current high-offense era. That would
translate to about 24-9, or Gibson-esque. I wonder how their ERA+ compared
between Maddux's 1994 and Gibson's 1968. I'm too lazy to check. :)­


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Lance Freezeland 17 May 2005 07:04:38 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 16 May 2005 22:46:47 -0400, "JPM III" <jpmccord@hotmail.c­om>
gave us:>Perry Sailor wrote in news:d6atq3$a0u$1@p­eabody.colorado.edu:­
I think Clemens had a stretch with an even lower ERA and a worse>> record this year. That stuff doesn't always even out too quickly,>> either. Joe Magrane won the ERA title one year at 2.18 and went 5-9.>> And Nolan Ryan had an 8-16, 2.76 season. At least Gibson won 23 to>> go with the 9 losses.
And Maddux was 16-6 with a 1.56 ERA (something like that, anyway) in a >strike-shortened season during the current high-offense era. That would >translate to about 24-9, or Gibson-esque. I wonder how their ERA+ compared >between Maddux's 1994 and Gibson's 1968. I'm too lazy to check. :)­

Single-season ERA+ leaders, courtesy of baseball-reference.­com:

1.Tim Keefe, 1880294
2.Pedro Martinez, 2000285
3.Dutch Leonard, 1914279
4.Greg Maddux, 1994273
5.Walter Johnson, 1913259
5.Greg Maddux, 1995259
7.Bob Gibson, 1968258
8.Three Finger Brown, 1906253
9.Pedro Martinez, 1999245
10.Walter Johnson, 1912240

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Jpm III 18 May 2005 10:46:35 permanent link ]
 Lance Freezeland wrote in news:mgni81t7gkjujd­rkr7hqs9894rl33ugs7c­@4ax.com:>
On Mon, 16 May 2005 22:46:47 -0400, "JPM III" <jpmccord@hotmail.c­om>> gave us:> > Perry Sailor wrote in news:d6atq3$a0u$1@p­eabody.colorado.edu:­>
I think Clemens had a stretch with an even lower ERA and a worse> > > record this year. That stuff doesn't always even out too quickly,> > > either. Joe Magrane won the ERA title one year at 2.18 and went> > > 5-9. And Nolan Ryan had an 8-16, 2.76 season. At least Gibson> > > won 23 to go with the 9 losses.>
And Maddux was 16-6 with a 1.56 ERA (something like that, anyway)> > in a strike-shortened season during the current high-offense era.> > That would translate to about 24-9, or Gibson-esque. I wonder how> > their ERA+ compared between Maddux's 1994 and Gibson's 1968. I'm> > too lazy to check. :)­>
Single-season ERA+ leaders, courtesy of baseball-reference.­com:>
1. Tim Keefe, 1880 294> 2. Pedro Martinez, 2000 285> 3. Dutch Leonard, 1914 279> 4. Greg Maddux, 1994 273> 5. Walter Johnson, 1913 259> 5. Greg Maddux, 1995 259> 7. Bob Gibson, 1968 258> 8. Three Finger Brown, 1906 253> 9. Pedro Martinez, 1999 245> 10. Walter Johnson, 1912 240

In other words, Maddux could have pitched a legitimate fit for losing 6
games in 1994. :-P­ But at least his 19-2 record in 1995 made up for it. Too
bad the MLBPA had to be a bunch of crybabies that year and mess things up
for guys like him.

Mmm, Mordecai Brown and that tasty 1.04 ERA. Holy crap. :-P­


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