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Re: Giambi stats
Punk-Tilous 13 May 2005 16:25:30
	"Bucky" <uw_badgers@email.com> wrote in message news:1115850218.687962.258220@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> Peter Gammons listed some painful Giambi stats:> - Thus far this season, you have failed to put the ball in play in 52.5> percent of your plate appearances; no player has ever failed to put the> ball in play in 50 percent of his plate appearances over a full season.> - Dating to Aug. 1, 2003, you have hit .210, with a higher on-base> percentage (.403) than slugging percentage (.365), which hints that you> are praying for walks.> What counts as "putting the ball in play"? What about a foul ball? What> about a walk?> There was a rumor that Torre and Giambi had a talk about sending Giambi to the minor leagues for a while. When asked about this, Torre claims that it was briefly mentioned in one of conversations with Jason but that it was not really seriously considered. Can you imagine Giambi, with all the millions he's making, playing in the minors? What a joke. The NY fans are just circling around this guy waiting to devour him. He is constantly being booed in games at the Bronx I hear.
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Edward Ruggeri 12 May 2005 02:48:01 [ permanent link ]
	"Bucky" <uw_badgers@email.com> wrote in message> Peter Gammons listed some painful Giambi stats: What counts as "putting > the ball in play"? What about a foul ball? What about a walk? A walk doesn't put the ball in play. And a foul ball isn't either, even if it's caught, I think. On Wed, 11 May 2005 17:27:58 -0500, punk-tilous <punktilious@hotmail.com> wrote:> There was a rumor that Torre and Giambi had a talk about sending Giambi > to the minor leagues for a while. When asked about this, Torre claims > that it was briefly mentioned in one of conversations with Jason but > that it was not really seriously considered. Cashman, Torre, and Giambi definitely did meet. And they admitted they talked about it. I don't know, it's pretty incredible. But I don't think Giambi would agree to be sent down (he'd have to), nor would the Yankees be excited about it, since they're already paying this guy so much, as you say... The NY fans are just circling around this guy waiting to devour him. He > is constantly being booed in games at the Bronx I hear. Yeah, that's true. They greeted him with cheers the first week, but after awhile, his performance didn't justify it... -- Ned Ruggeri
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Jpm III 12 May 2005 06:12:42 [ permanent link ]
	Bucky wrote in news:1115850218.687962.258220@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:> Peter Gammons listed some painful Giambi stats:> - Thus far this season, you have failed to put the ball in play in> 52.5 percent of your plate appearances; no player has ever failed to> put the ball in play in 50 percent of his plate appearances over a> full season.> - Dating to Aug. 1, 2003, you have hit .210, with a higher on-base> percentage (.403) than slugging percentage (.365), which hints that> you are praying for walks.> What counts as "putting the ball in play"? What about a foul ball?> What about a walk? Putting the ball in play: any at-bat that does not result in a strikeout.
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Edward Ruggeri 13 May 2005 01:30:09 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 12 May 2005 15:24:53 -0500, Bucky <uw_badgers@email.com> wrote: Edward Ruggeri wrote:>> Yeah, that's true. They greeted him with cheers the first week, but> after>> awhile, his performance didn't justify it...> I didn't know that. I did hear about him getting cheered early on, I> didn't hear about him getting booed now. I guess the NY fans are pretty> smart, pretend to support him initially so that he doesn't get> discouraged, but when you realize that it's hopeless, then let him know> how you really feel. Oh yeah, they're pretty frustrated with him. Why not be? What with a contract like he has It's all the Yankees' fault anyway, I suppose... -- Ned Ruggeri
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Dale Hicks 13 May 2005 04:57:48 [ permanent link ]
	In article <1115932567.979880.176760@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, uw_badgers@email.com says...> JPM III wrote:> > Putting the ball in play: any at-bat that does not result in a> strikeout.> That sounds right, but when I plugged in the numbers, it didn't work> out. (AB-SO)/AB = 62.5%. According to Gammons, the value for putting> the ball in play should be around 47.5% of plate appearances (failing> to put ball in play 52.5%). Here's Giambi's numbers as of May 9, 2005> if any of the statisticians want to take a stab. You don't put balls into play when you walk, either. -- Cranial Crusader dgh 1138 at bell south point net
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Dale Hicks 13 May 2005 05:00:19 [ permanent link ]
	In article <1115932567.979880.176760@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, uw_badgers@email.com says...> JPM III wrote:> > Putting the ball in play: any at-bat that does not result in a> strikeout.> That sounds right, but when I plugged in the numbers, it didn't work> out. (AB-SO)/AB = 62.5%. According to Gammons, the value for putting> the ball in play should be around 47.5% of plate appearances (failing> to put ball in play 52.5%). Here's Giambi's numbers as of May 9, 2005> if any of the statisticians want to take a stab.> BB: 18> SO: 29> HBP: 6> IBB: 1 TPA: 101 IBB are included in BB, I think. 18+29+6 / 101 = 52.5% -- Cranial Crusader dgh 1138 at bell south point net
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Bryan S . Slick 13 May 2005 06:44:33 [ permanent link ]
	[Dale Hicks (dgh1138@yahoo.com)] [Thu, 12 May 2005 19:57:48 -0500] :In article <1115932567.979880.176760@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, :uw_badgers@email.com says... :> JPM III wrote: :> > Putting the ball in play: any at-bat that does not result in a :> strikeout. :> :> That sounds right, but when I plugged in the numbers, it didn't work :> out. (AB-SO)/AB = 62.5%. According to Gammons, the value for putting :> the ball in play should be around 47.5% of plate appearances (failing :> to put ball in play 52.5%). Here's Giambi's numbers as of May 9, 2005 :> if any of the statisticians want to take a stab. : :You don't put balls into play when you walk, either. Since when are walks counted in the AB stat? -- Bryan S. Slick, onyx_hokie at yahoo dot com "There ain't nothing wrong a few cold beers can't iron out in fact, you tell me just when and where, and I'll buy the first round" [Terri Clark, "I Think The World Needs a Drink"]
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Dale Hicks 13 May 2005 08:16:33 [ permanent link ]
	In article <MPG.1cedde9b7573ba3398cf3e@news-40.giganews.com>, onyx_hokie@yahoo.com says...> [Dale Hicks (dgh1138@yahoo.com)]> [Thu, 12 May 2005 19:57:48 -0500]> :In article <1115932567.979880.176760@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, > :uw_badgers@email.com says...> :> JPM III wrote:> :> > Putting the ball in play: any at-bat that does not result in a> :> strikeout.> :> > :> That sounds right, but when I plugged in the numbers, it didn't work> :> out. (AB-SO)/AB = 62.5%. According to Gammons, the value for putting> :> the ball in play should be around 47.5% of plate appearances (failing> :> to put ball in play 52.5%). Here's Giambi's numbers as of May 9, 2005> :> if any of the statisticians want to take a stab.> :> :You don't put balls into play when you walk, either.> Since when are walks counted in the AB stat? Were you here at the start of the thread? Quoting: Peter Gammons listed some painful Giambi stats: - Thus far this season, you have failed to put the ball in play in 52.5 percent of your plate appearances; no player has ever failed to put the ball in play in 50 percent of his plate appearances over a full season. -- Cranial Crusader dgh 1138 at bell south point net
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Jpm III 13 May 2005 09:57:41 [ permanent link ]
	77 - 29 = 48 48/101 = .4752 4752 4752... or 47.52% He has no sacrifices, which I forgot to include. But it turns out that Giambi has no sacrifices, so it still works out. BIP = AB+SF+SH-K Bucky wrote in news:1115932567.979880.176760@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:> JPM III wrote:> > Putting the ball in play: any at-bat that does not result in a> > strikeout.> That sounds right, but when I plugged in the numbers, it didn't work> out. (AB-SO)/AB = 62.5%. According to Gammons, the value for putting> the ball in play should be around 47.5% of plate appearances (failing> to put ball in play 52.5%). Here's Giambi's numbers as of May 9, 2005> if any of the statisticians want to take a stab.> AB: 77> H: 15> BB: 18> SO: 29> AVG: .195> OBP: .386> TPA: 101> SF: 0> SH: 0> HBP: 6> IBB: 1> GB: 20> FB: 19
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Jpm III 13 May 2005 09:58:32 [ permanent link ]
	Dale Hicks wrote in news:3eich3F39v16U9@individual.net:> In article <1115932567.979880.176760@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,> uw_badgers@email.com says...> > JPM III wrote:> > > Putting the ball in play: any at-bat that does not result in a> > > strikeout.> > That sounds right, but when I plugged in the numbers, it didn't work> > out. (AB-SO)/AB = 62.5%. According to Gammons, the value for putting> > the ball in play should be around 47.5% of plate appearances> > (failing to put ball in play 52.5%). Here's Giambi's numbers as of> > May 9, 2005 if any of the statisticians want to take a stab.> > BB: 18> > SO: 29> > HBP: 6> > IBB: 1> TPA: 101> IBB are included in BB, I think.> 18+29+6 / 101 = 52.5% Dude: BIP = AB+SH+SF-K
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Steve 13 May 2005 13:06:56 [ permanent link ]
	Edward Ruggeri wrote: "Bucky" <uw_badgers@email.com> wrote in message> Peter Gammons listed some painful Giambi stats: What counts as >> "putting the ball in play"? What about a foul ball? What about a walk?> A walk doesn't put the ball in play. And a foul ball isn't either, > even if it's caught, I think. But they say "and the ball goes out of play" when a foul ball leaves the field. Taht makes me think that the ball's in play as long as it can be caught.> On Wed, 11 May 2005 17:27:58 -0500, punk-tilous > <punktilious@hotmail.com> wrote:> There was a rumor that Torre and Giambi had a talk about sending >> Giambi to the minor leagues for a while. When asked about this, >> Torre claims that it was briefly mentioned in one of conversations >> with Jason but that it was not really seriously considered.> Cashman, Torre, and Giambi definitely did meet. And they admitted they > talked about it. I don't know, it's pretty incredible. But I don't > think Giambi would agree to be sent down (he'd have to), nor would the > Yankees be excited about it, since they're already paying this guy so > much, as you say...> The NY fans are just circling around this guy waiting to devour him. >> He is constantly being booed in games at the Bronx I hear.> Yeah, that's true. They greeted him with cheers the first week, but > after awhile, his performance didn't justify it...> -- Ned Ruggeri -- Steve Alpert MIT - Civil Engineering '05, MST '07 (Transportation)
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Edward Ruggeri 13 May 2005 16:25:30 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 13 May 2005 04:06:56 -0500, Steve <smalpert@hackmit.edu> wrote: But they say "and the ball goes out of play" when a foul ball leaves the > field. Taht makes me think that the ball's in play as long as it can be > caught. Too late! Someone has already corrected me -- Ned Ruggeri
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