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GYXU > Baseball > Re: 2 active players - comparison 15 March 2005 02:54:17

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Re: 2 active players - comparison

Dvd Avins 13 March 2005 23:47:49
 Chris Cathcart wrote:> One is considered basically a lock for HOF; the other isn't mentioned nearly> as often in future-HOF discussions.

One played CF and according to most fans was very good at it. The other
has been a defensive liability throughout his career. The CF also
concentrated most of his value into a sustained period where he was at
least as good as anyone else in his league. The other had admitted to
intentionally playing badly in his younger days, in order to force a trade.
Player 1:>
Age: 36> Games - 2036> Hits - 2175> Runs - 1307> RBI - 1353> HR - 415> BB - 1202> SB/CS - 205/93> AVG - .298> OBP - .400> SLG - .528> OPS - 928> OPS+ - 147> Win Shares - 368>
Player 2:>
Age: 35> Games - 1997> Hits - 2156> Runs - 1320> RBI - 1444> HR - 501> BB - 984> SB/CS - 178/66> AVG - .292> OBP - .377> SLG - .560> OPS - 937> OPS+ - 144> Win Shares - 340>
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Roger Moore 14 March 2005 02:45:16 permanent link ]
 "Chris Cathcart" <cathcacrREVOLMAPS@­yahoo.com> writes:
One is considered basically a lock for HOF; the other isn't mentioned nearly>as often in future-HOF discussions.

[Reorganized to make comparison easier]

Player 1 Player 2>Age 36 35>Games 2036 1997>Hits 2175 2156>Runs 1307 1320>RBI 1353 1444>HR 415 501>BB 1202 984>SB/CS 205/93 178/66>AVG .298 .292>OBP .400 .377>SLG .528 .560>OPS .928 .937>OPS+ 147 144>Win Shares 368 340

The players are obviously Sheffield and Griffey. I'd say that the
discrepancy in their perceived HOF chances relflects their career shapes
more than a realistic assessment of likely voting results. Sheffield is
viewed favorably because he's still very productive and an excellent
player today. Griffey is seen as a disappointment because he was supposed
to be closing in on Hank Aaron's record by now, rather than bogged down
with injuries. If Griffey has a good season in 2005 and Sheffield has a
bad one, those perceptions will change very quickly. I'd say that their
relative standing is a very good argument in favor of the five year rule
on HOF voting.

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Josh Rosenbluth 15 March 2005 02:54:17 permanent link ]
 Roger Moore wrote:> "Chris Cathcart" <cathcacrREVOLMAPS@­yahoo.com> writes:>
One is considered basically a lock for HOF; the other isn't mentioned nearly>>as often in future-HOF discussions.>
[Reorganized to make comparison easier]>
Player 1 Player 2>
Age 36 35>>Games 2036 1997>>Hits 2175 2156>>Runs 1307 1320>>RBI 1353 1444>>HR 415 501>>BB 1202 984>>SB/CS 205/93 178/66>>AVG .298 .292>>OBP .400 .377>>SLG .528 .560>>OPS .928 .937>>OPS+ 147 144>>Win Shares 368 340>
The players are obviously Sheffield and Griffey. I'd say that the> discrepancy in their perceived HOF chances relflects their career shapes> more than a realistic assessment of likely voting results. Sheffield is> viewed favorably because he's still very productive and an excellent> player today. Griffey is seen as a disappointment because he was supposed> to be closing in on Hank Aaron's record by now, rather than bogged down> with injuries. If Griffey has a good season in 2005 and Sheffield has a> bad one, those perceptions will change very quickly. I'd say that their> relative standing is a very good argument in favor of the five year rule> on HOF voting.

Griffey's the lock. Sheffield's the one barely mentioned.

Josh Rosenbluth
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