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GYXU > Baseball > Mike Greenwell's 17-year grudge 1 March 2005 05:52:06

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Mike Greenwell's 17-year grudge

Bob Roman 22 February 2005 18:31:07
 No one here is discussing the Mike Greenwell argument. Greenwell
argues that because Jose Canseco's career is tainted, Canseco should
forfeit the 1988 MVP. That MVP award should then fall to the
second-place finisher, who happens to be Mike Greenwell.

The problem, of course, is that Greenwell received 0 first-place
votes. He cannot know how the voting would have played out in a
scenario without Canseco.

Bob Roman
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Roger Moore 22 February 2005 21:25:15 permanent link ]
 Bob Roman <robertjroman@hotma­il.com> writes:
No one here is discussing the Mike Greenwell argument. Greenwell>argues that because Jose Canseco's career is tainted, Canseco should>forfeit the 1988 MVP. That MVP award should then fall to the>second-place finisher, who happens to be Mike Greenwell.

It's an obviously bogus argument, since steroids weren't actually against
the rules at the time. It's like trying to void Big Ed Walsh's career
because he threw a spitter. In any case, I think that there has to be
some kind of statute of limitations that's long since expired. If nobody
is going to go after acknowledged cheaters like Gaylord Perry, it doesn't
make any sense to go after Canseco, either.

--
Roger Moore | Master of Meaningless Trivia | (raj@alumni.caltech­.edu)
I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the
people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by
violent and sudden usurpations. -- James Madison
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Bucky 23 February 2005 01:21:51 permanent link ]
 Bob Roman wrote:> No one here is discussing the Mike Greenwell argument.

That's because there's nothing to discuss. I'm a Red Sox fan, and I
think his arguments are a waste of time. It's unfair that that he lost
the MVP to a steroid user, but there's no conceivable way that they're
going to award him the MVP. So he needs to move on and not let this eat
him for the rest of his life.

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Jpm III 23 February 2005 01:29:50 permanent link ]
 Bob Roman wrote in news:1tfm11th2ginpq­v7n5l0lafq7srjtfi586­@4ax.com:>
No one here is discussing the Mike Greenwell argument. Greenwell> argues that because Jose Canseco's career is tainted, Canseco should> forfeit the 1988 MVP. That MVP award should then fall to the> second-place finisher, who happens to be Mike Greenwell.>
The problem, of course, is that Greenwell received 0 first-place> votes. He cannot know how the voting would have played out in a> scenario without Canseco.

Since Greenwell was for a long time the only major league player to share my
July 18 birthday (until A-Rod came along), I side with Mikey.


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Roger Moore 23 February 2005 03:01:29 permanent link ]
 "JPM III" <jpmccord@hotmail.c­om> writes:
Since Greenwell was for a long time the only major league player to share my >July 18 birthday (until A-Rod came along), I side with Mikey.

Sorry to break it to you, but ARod's birthday is July 27; I happen to know
because he shares _my_ birthday. You'll have to be satisfied that Ben
Sheets, Torii Hunter, and manager Joe Torre share your birthday.

--
Roger Moore | Master of Meaningless Trivia | (raj@alumni.caltech­.edu)
I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the
people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by
violent and sudden usurpations. -- James Madison
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Gerry Myerson 23 February 2005 04:47:42 permanent link ]
 In article <cvgdk9$mms$1@naig.­caltech.edu>,
raj@alumnae.caltech­.edu (Roger Moore) wrote:
"JPM III" <jpmccord@hotmail.c­om> writes:>
Since Greenwell was for a long time the only major league player to share my > >July 18 birthday (until A-Rod came along), I side with Mikey. >
Sorry to break it to you, but ARod's birthday is July 27; I happen to know> because he shares _my_ birthday.

Maybe he was born again?

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Gerry Myerson (gerry@maths.mq.edi­.ai) (i -> u for email)
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Jpm III 1 March 2005 05:52:06 permanent link ]
 Roger Moore wrote in news:cvgdk9$mms$1@n­aig.caltech.edu:>
"JPM III" <jpmccord@hotmail.c­om> writes:>
Since Greenwell was for a long time the only major league player to> > share my July 18 birthday (until A-Rod came along), I side with> > Mikey.>
Sorry to break it to you, but ARod's birthday is July 27; I happen to> know because he shares _my_ birthday. You'll have to be satisfied> that Ben Sheets, Torii Hunter, and manager Joe Torre share your> birthday.

I *meant* Ben Sheets! Heh. I don't know why I typed A-Rod, really. I guess I
just hadn't looked in a while. But, yes, Ben Sheets is who I meant.

I was unaware of Torri Hunter, but that's good too.

I knew about Torre, but his all-star playing career already passed. :)­


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